Astral projection

[Paul-martin]

I read in a forum about astral projection, i know it is linked to new age, but you don't use any occult stuff to go astral you just focus very hard on something like a sound, so as I see it the New Age dude have just stolen a biological phenomen, and tried to link it with there false theology ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astral_projection

I haven’t astral .... but i wonder .... what happens, some alternatives....

1. you go to the demons world ....
2. demons get access to enter you if you do that kind off stuff ....
3. It is just you subconscious who put you in a dream state ...

Waht do you guys think ....

 

[dancingwithhim]

I wouldn't even touch that stuff. It is very dangerous!
If you astral project, then you are giving demons permission to your body. Believe me, I have heard first hand about this from a friend of mine who was a satanist and I have read up on it. While my friend was into that kind of stuff, she had a lot of demonic influence in her life. Very harmful things happened to her. It isn't a game, but it is very serious. It is just safer to just surrender your soul, body and spirit to the Lord and allow Him to take over.

 

[Paul-martin]

I wouldn't even touch that stuff. It is very dangerous!
If you astral project, then you are giving demons permission to your body. Believe me, I have heard first hand about this from a friend of mine who was a satanist and I have read up on it. While my friend was into that kind of stuff, she had a lot of demonic influence in her life. Very harmful things happened to her. It isn't a game, but it is very serious. It is just safer to just surrender your soul, body and spirit to the Lord and allow Him to take over.

But but the guy you talked about was already in to the occult, i mean demons can get access to you dreams you are in to teh occult, couldn't it be thesame for astral projection ...

 

[ForZion]

People are complete and total morons, guided by fear, and fear is of evil.

 

[Missyjojo88]

Paul-Martin


Astra projection is a result of doors being open in ones life due to sin or being involved in the occult, new age and such. Astra projection is not the same as being under the spirit of God. Astra projection is not used to describe someone who is under the spirit of God and is taking up by the spirit of God. These are two different things. When I had doors open in my life in the past due to disobeying God, I had experience the beginning of astra projection. I literaly saw part of my arm spirit coming out of my physical body. This was not the only time it happened, but I have never fully left my body and float above the room. But when these demonic activities would occur, I could also sense that this was a dangerous position to be in. I knew that if I left my body that there would demonic beings waiting to attack me in order to destroy me. During that time, I was not involved in any occult, but it was due to open doors in my life. I also did not go about seeking for this to happen like those in the occult tend to do. This astra projection was as a result of sleeping paralysis that I would experience on rare occassion, due to open doors in my life. Ironically, this incidence happened a day before I was about to be baptized and God had confirm to me that I should go head and be baptize. After it happened, I went to God for help and told him that I did not want to experience this again. It haven't experience the begin of leaving my body anymore. Like I said before I never fully got out of my body. There is nothing that will ever make me tell you that there is nothing wrong with astra projection because I know what God says and I will not lie to satisfy your flesh. So a person who tries this is doing it at their own risk when they seek to do this and other occult or new age stuff.

Know that there are people who have died in their sleep and its not because of anything else, but due to astra projection and involvement in the occult. There is no such thing as using non occult methods to astra project because you are using an occult method or else you wouldn't have been able to do it in the first place. The method that you said the guy use is still an occult method even if he didn't realize it when he did it. Any time you try to use a method of your own to enter the spiritual world or influence the spiritual world, its still a sin and consider part of the occult in the eyes of God. Atra projection itself is not of God so it doesn't matter what method you use, if you are trying to do it then you are commiting a sinful act against God. If you know the word of God and have the spirit of God in you, you will see what I tell you is the truth. You don't have to listen to me, but ask God to open your eyes and show you the truth.

 

[Paul-martin]

What confused me is when i saw how they did it, was that they just concentrated on something extremly hard (like a sound) then i had hard to understand how concentrating could be part of something occult, then i read before you go to astral projection you will hear a very loud sound, that was what made me wonder if you didn't moved in to the demons realm, but then again maybe it just are a dream thing, but thena gain why take a risk.

But it makes me curious what is it, a dream or that you enter the demons realm, you claimed that we entered the demons realm, and that they could attack you while you were there ..... It was scary when you said people have died by astral projection, do you ahve the link of that and i can post it in the outer forum were i read about this, so they get the outer side ....

And i will not do astral projection, this post was more about me wondering ... what is this which i recently heard of for the first time ...

Oh i forgot something very important .... Thank you for your replies ...

 

[Paul-martin]

I foudn this ...

It is true that in a small minority of instances people have reported negative experiences in the astral realm. A few have encountered sinister forms and some even claim to have engaged in psychic combat with them. "No sooner had this unseen force lifted me a few feet than it suddenly hurled me back into myself and I came to," Robert A. Reese wrote of his experience in Fate magazine. "It seemed that something hideous was trying to overpower me."

Btw you said people ahve died by astral projecktion but then can't tell you seen theya re dead so you can't be 100 % sure ....

 

[Missyjojo88]

I finish posting this long thing about my experience and it got deleted. This is how I see it, it doesn't matter what anyone says, but what God says. For example, if God says that he doesn't want you to consult familiar spirits, there's no debating this issue because that is what God says. There could never be a time where consulting familiar spirit would be consider good. The same goes with astro projection which is part of the occult and new age no matter how you slice it. I say go to God in prayer and ask him to show you the truth. Yes people have died due to astra projection, ask God about it. Even God's word says that sin result in death, and there is no surprise in the fact that there are some people who have died because of getting involving in the occult and that include astra projection. The online quote you gave is from people who are not born again christian and led by the spirit of God. You cannot learn the truth from them. I wouldn't use their words as evidence to support astra projection or anything else for that matter. They are misleading many people and its not going to change the fact that astra projection is not of God and its evil. The best advice is to use God's word for guidance and not to focus on what man says because God's word will always outway what comes out of the mouth of man. Those who are led by the spirit will say the same thing, that there is nothing good about astra projections, its just plan evil. When you focus on God rather than these things, you learn so much about the spiritual realm under the guidance of the holy spirit. As you notice from this dream board, we are learning a lot about the spiritual realm through the guidance of the holy spirit. Not every dream is of God, but when its God of God there is so much to learn. For those who are children of God, we don't go about seeking methods to experience things in the spiritual realm. It comes down to God and his will. Seek God and he will show and teach you the truth about these things. That's the only way you can really learn the truth.

 

[sistakrista]

JUST DON'T DO IT! WHEN IN DOUBT - DON'T!

 

[izarya]

Interestingly enough, Paul spoke of this in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. Personally, I experienced this for the first time as a child, I was very ill with pneumonia and found myself floating above myself. Did I sin? Whatever.
Every time you dream, a part of you "leaves the body" Do you wake up demon possessed? As someone else said...Ignorance. Much of what you experience under such conditions depends greatly on your interpretation of the activity itself. If you believe it is a "satanic" thing to do, then it will be...For you!

 

[Missyjojo88]

Like I said before there is a big difference between been taking up by the holy spirit and astral projection. It's like the difference between a prophet and a psychic. Would one call a prophet a psychic or vice versus? If you can't see that, then I don't know what else to say to you. Usually when the holy spirit takes someone out of their bodies, they are giving dreams or visions that will bring glory to God and will not go against the word of God. Also people like John who was taking up and wrote the book of Revelations didn't go looking for this to happen to them. They did not use methods or whatever you want to call it. The holy spirit was the one leading them. Now astral projection is the enemy trying to deceive you. Usually when people experience astral projection, they meet with beings or learn doctrines that goes against the word of God. Now because you had this experience as a child does not take away from the fact that its not from God. Like you, I didn't go looking for it to happen and it did. The enemy can attack even children. Doors can be open due to many reasons or generational curses and such. The enemy have also attack me when I was a baby, so being young does not mean that you will be immune from such things. Also God knows that you and I didn't intentionally go about seeking this to happen and God is just. So I am definitely would not judge you on your experience. But those who intentionaly go about seeking astral projection are going against God's word.

Its not a matter of ignorance because I experience it several times and God had shown me the truth behind it. Now read the word of God and you tell me if this is something that is from God? Astral projection is part of the occult and new age. Do research on it. What does the bible say about the occult and such? I told the previous poster to seek God on this because I know that God will show him the truth if he ask. He doesn't need to listen to me or anyone else, but God. I just can't sit back and tell someone that something is right when I know the truth the God has allowed me to understand. I know God will hold me accountable for whatever I post in here and I rather tell you the truth which is so obvious then be held accountable to God. Read the bible and read what God says about wicca, the occult, new age and such. If You know God, you will know that he doesn't compromise. The enemy is deceiving many and I hope the the original poster will get the truth about this and not fleshly opinions.

 

[thenewageriseth]

I have heard about these things too. I had wondered if it was safe, cuz I heard that entities could actually enter your body. I prolly would decline, however New Age doesn't faze me at all. Neither does New Thought. Both are enlightening.

 

[izarya]

Usually when people experience astral projection, they meet with beings or learn doctrines that goes against the word of God.

Really, was this what you encountered? Doctrines that go against the word of God...such as?

Astral projection is part of the occult and new age. Do research on it. What does the bible say about the occult and such?

Quite a bit, but first. I must ask, what do you believe the "occult" to be? I think it is you who needs to research my young friend. It does not mean satanism or witchcraft if that is what you suppose. Make use of an etymological dictionary.

 

[hammerofgod]

Quite a bit, but first. I must ask, what do you believe the "occult" to be? I think it is you who needs to research my young friend. It does not mean satanism or witchcraft if that is what you suppose. Make use of an etymological dictionary.

Iriving Hexham's Concise Dictionare of Religion states the definition of Occultism as follows:

OCCULTISM: a modern term used to describe a wide spectrum of BELIEFS and practices which involve RITUAL MAGIC and the practice of various FORMS of SPIRITUALISM. In recent years many OCCULT ideas have merged in the so-called NEW AGE MOVEMENT.

One of the most important ways of telling the diference between astral projection and being out in the spirit with God is whether it was induced by God or induced by the person experiencing it. Being in the Spirit with God is something that we do not induce but it is brought ot pass by God. Dreams that are induced by rituals, chants, and so-forth are not given by God, they are 'Occult' in their nature.

HammerofGod

 

[izarya]

The word occult comes from the Latin occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to the 'knowledge of the secret' or 'knowledge of the hidden' and often popularly meaning 'knowledge of the supernatural', as opposed to 'knowledge of the visible' or 'knowledge of the measurable', usually referred to as science. The term is sometimes popularly taken to mean 'knowledge meant only for certain people' or 'knowledge that must be kept hidden', but for most practicing occultists it is simply the study of a deeper spiritual "reality" that extends beyond pure reason and the physical sciences. The term esoteric can have a very similar meaning, and the two terms are often interchangeable.
The term occult is also used as a label given to a number of organizations or orders, and the teachings and practices as taught by them. The name also extends to a large body of literature and spiritual philosophy.

From Wikipedia.
BTW, Mathematics and Chemistry were at one time condemned by the church as being heretical and "occult" practices. Nothing against the church itself, but the closed minded people who at that time, (and much like today) ran it.

 

[izarya]

Iriving Hexham's Concise Dictionare of Religion states the definition of Occultism as follows:

This is why I said an etymological dictionary. Of course any dictionary of religious context is going to perpetuate the misuse of the word by contemporary religious thought and teachings.

One of the most important ways of telling the diference between astral projection and being out in the spirit with God is whether it was induced by God or induced by the person experiencing it. Being in the Spirit with God is something that we do not induce but it is brought ot pass by God. Dreams that are induced by rituals, chants, and so-forth are not given by God, they are 'Occult' in their nature.

HammerofGod

this is true to some exent, but if one is able to self-induce this state, is it not a God-given ability, as all things proceed and originate from God? Rather it depends on the intentions of the one seeking such experiences.
IMO

 

[ForZion]

I tell you this, fear is the instrument that will lead you into the hand's of the dark one. Man has no authority, his authority is likened to an illusion in a mirror. Close all your senses to the rubbish of man, and open your mind to the presence of god.

 

[*Soulwings*]

My first astral projection experience was not done intentionally, I had never even heard of the practice.

Did I sin? No. Was this satanic? YES!

Astral projection is an occultic practice put into nice shoes to make it look all innocent. There is no way to get into the practice without bumping into false doctrines from the New Age.

When attempting to astral project, it´s like sending out an invitation ´would you please share false doctrines with me?´.
Demons can appear to us as angels of light, they will secretly introduce false doctrines that sway us from the Word of God. They will sway and seduce you into thinking that there is nothing wrong with astral projection and that it is a God given ability. It is far from that.
If Jesus astral projected, it would get mentioned. Why are we to leave the temple that God has given us, filled with the Holy Spirit, to enter a world where demons and the ´dead´ wander about? There is no reason.
Our eyes are to be fixed on Jesus and the Truth, we are not to have fellowship with darkness. So we are not to enter a world where demons wander about without shame, and will obviously try to sway you!
We have the Spirit of Christ within us, why would be leave our bodies and leave the Spirit of Christ?
There is no Truth in the astral world, it is deception to it´s fullest, and there are no angels or dead spirits wandering about. Only demons.

When I was delivered from the practice I was tormented spiritually for aproximatly a year. There were demons that were latched onto me, and I needed to get delivered. There was no one there who realized what I had gotten into, so as a baby christian I had to figure out how deliverance worked. I was scared to go to sleep at night for fear of what would happen. I realize fully now that astral projection is deceptive, it is not a practice that God commanded us to get into, and it is not done by the Holy Spirit.

We are to be One with Jesus, and by doing that we are to walk with Him every minute we live. We are not to part from His Spirit by going off on an astral adventure to visit spiritual safehaven cities or talk with ´higher beings´ or ´spirit guides´. We are to fellowship with Him. We are to meditate on His Word day and night. We are to be Light, and not darkness, and we are to avoid evil.
We are to avoid false doctrines and those who teach it.

Why play with fire... when the real experience is walking with Jesus 24-7?

 

[*Soulwings*]

this is true to some exent, but if one is able to self-induce this state, is it not a God-given ability, as all things proceed and originate from God? Rather it depends on the intentions of the one seeking such experiences.
IMO

God is the author of Truth and not lies.
God does not lie.
Satan is the father of lies, and he is a liar.

Satan hands out abilities too, because it is in his nature to be ´god´ and he wishes to counterfeit the real thing.
That is why there are false prophets too. They are able to prophesy, yet they do it not by the words of the Most High, but by the words of Satan (counterfeit).

Just because one is able to induce it themselves, does not mean it originates from God.
And, it is a highly argumentive statement to say that one is able to induce it themselves.

All experiences I had with astral projection I was led to beleive that I had caused it myself. But this was proven wrong when I tried to quit.

Perhaps because satan likes to counterfeit, he gives the ability to astral project to keep us from the real experience of ´travelling´ (or walking) with the Holy Spirit. There are accounts of similar type of experiences but which definitly originated from the Holy Spirit (book of Revelation for example). These experiences come to those who seek the Lord in Spirit and in Truth, as we are supposed to seek Him.

 

[AbbieDunne]

Is astral projection actually possible? I used to and still watch alot of TV series but there is alot of magic and things involved, I would NEVER try these but are they actuallt real?

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