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Your response disappoints me; luckily I don't need to dignify it with a response of my own. It looks like Candide said everything that I could have wanted to.1 Politics . ..
1 Timothy 2
1I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone 2for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth
Demons will effect all politics one day.
Revelations 16 : 14They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world,
Number 2 ...the US constitution has nothing to do with the 10 commandments or Christianity. It needs to be ammended to make Christianity the State religion and outlaw Islam though.
Number 3 ...yes by a parent doing his Job properly as God and the Bible commands the child will never adopt unnatural behavioral patterns.
I think you answered your own question on how men and women are not equal.
It needs to be ammended to make Christianity the State religion and outlaw Islam though.
I can't tell if you're being serious right now. I mean, seriously? Have we forgotten what has happened in history every single time Christianity has been the state religion? It's been much worse than those nations that have Islam as their national religion these days (though I'm not a big fan of any theocracy, for that reason. They all end up horribly. I can't think of anything more anit-Christian than making Christianity a state religion.
Secondly, he's not arguing that men and women are equal...that'd be ignorant. For the most part, they have very different attributes (though there are always statistical outliers). Rather, he's arguing that they should be treated equally. That means that they should have all of the same opportunities, et. al.
In addition, how can we argue that homosexuality is not natural when roughly 10% of most species exhibit homosexual behavior? And even if you decide to dismiss that point (though I don't see how you can, logically), don't most Christians believe that humans are "higher" than nature, in some way? Isn't this how they justify eating meat, and killing the environment and such? I obviously disagree with that, as well, but it seems to me that if you pride yourself on being "higher" than other nature (trees, animals, etc.), than you would want to exhibit unnatural behavior, no?
If you are talking about states that followed after the history of the Roman Catholic church, then yeah... that era the Roman Catholic Chruch was all about greed and power. They are not true Christian nations. To be honest the US is the closes Governing state that has a Christian bases or as I should say Bible foundation. Do not be putting the Catholic Church of that corrupted time in with the Church of Christ. Those Catholics abused and missused the Lord's name for their pride and greed. If you really researched the Christian Chruch you would know there were only pockets in all the countries. They feared showing themselves because of the Catholic churches unethical ways. It was not the Reformers that discovered the truth, it was there... they just stopped blinding themselves to the lies. Yeah, I agree that the Roman Catholic Nations of the past were one of the worst nations of religious standard. What about Communist/ athiest states... you think they were better than Catholic church nations of the pasts?
First of all, why isn't the Catholic church a valid example? Or the British state church, for that matter? It doesn't make any sense why they wouldn't be. Second of all, can you name any theocracy that has been successful/peaceful?
The catholic church was established by a group of spiritual leaders in Rome, established the Papal States, they wanted a way to control the people. But Roman Empire was made up of many cultures and beliefs. At the time they had hoped that Christianity would disappear because they lost Jesus (who rose from the dead). But it spread like a wild fire. So they figured if they combined pagan and Christian church, they would gain the majority and make tons of money. The "top" hats they wear is the symbol of a fish... after the symbol of the pagan fish god. The Icons used came from the idea of the pagan god worship. People often need an idol of some kind because it is hard to trust and have faith in someone they cant see. The original Roman Catholic Church was designed to control people, kings loved it because no one would revolt. Also the people were not allowed to read the Bible nor read at all... because if you can keep the people from educating themselves then you can keep fear in them. Why do you think the catholic church was so powerful and influencial, kinda like and ancient media version. Now the church has changed greatly, mostly to the Reformers, but the Church was always arnd, hiding in the shadows. PLus in the new testiment, if the catholics truelly read scripture, would know that we do not need a priest to talk with God, we are the priesthood, it is thru Jesus and Jesus only were can commune with God.
Theocracy that was successful, Israel! And if you think Christianity is all about peace no fighting, and if you think Jesus was fragile and not tuff... you better read the gospels again. We are to be tough, does not mean we go and kill people, like Islam, because you do not believe as i do. It also does not mean if someone hits me I turn another cheek. That verse is missed used. I will stand up for myself, and I will defend anyone i love fist or love. I will state we are to live in love, which is why I do not hate the Homosexual person, the murder person, the theif as a person, but I hate their actions. Just as when we have children... we do not hate our child for lying, we hate the lying action. Sin hurts, it hurts people and it hurts God. The Israelites had it perfect, it is because they wanted to be like the other nations ( be like the world, so if the world does it, we should?), and God grated that request, and they reaped what they sowed. When they were a Theocracy, it was direct command with God, when they took kingship... the king was the leader, and if He walked with God... good things happened, when He turned from Him... things went bad (1-2 Samuel-1-2 Kings- life of Saul and David).
You'd be rather hard pressed to do so, because theocracy's don't work, because people get corrupted. Jesus was fighting against a theocracy, not for one.
What???!!!! No He was not... He was submitting to the Authority... read the rest of the chapter. The Jews gave up their Theocracy for a worldy government. If you read of the Judges... in Judges... it work very well. Later in that chptr Jesus states that the Authority that is above you is given by God... and so we must serve it as long as it does not make us do anything against God.
Give to Cesar what is Cesar's, etc (a sign of submission to our Authority).
And no, there's obviously no anarchic state that was successful, since and anarchic state hasn't ever existed. Capitalistic states have proved to be the most successful throughout history, and I'd argue that that's the most un-Christian economical system.
Our economins is very Capitalistic our government is a Replublic Democratic. We have Capitalist approach, but that is not how our government works. I feel that money has control and influence on alot of things.
Thirdly, the U.S. Government is far from being Christian, and it always was, as it should be. It's un-Constitutional to want a theocracy (Christian or otherwise). This nation was founded on the principle that there should be no state religion, at all. Yes, that's really in the Constitution. It's worked so well, by producing far and away the best free government in history, why should we change it and allow a vehicle of greed and corruption take it's place in the form of a Christian theocracy? Makes no sense to me.
I agree with that, was not agrueing that, just clearifing. He asked me to clarify, read before jumping on me.
I was referring to Carey, not you. Sorry for the confusion.
First of not all Christian believe that you can do what you want with nature, that is not biblical. Yes were are made above nature, but we are to protect, use it, and respect it.
NP!
I never said all Christians believe that. I'm a prime example of one who completely rejects it. I certainly agree that we need to protect and respect God's creation. Though use....I'm not so sure of.
Because in nature is no law, only the naturality of their species.
Using for reason, not for pleasure.
No, there are laws of nature. They just aren't written down anywhere.
We are accountable to our actions, were nature it self is not.
Read about creation in Gensis (chptr 1-2). It is because we have souls (there are no verses saying animals have it), we are made in the image of God, also in Genesis
How so?
God says that homosexuality is unnatural it is unnatural in the Human species.
Where? Where in the Bible does he explicitly state that homosexuality is unnatural in the human species, or unnatural at all?
Romans 1, verses 25-32 specifically (NIV, and even KJV/NKJV) It states specifically... men and women leaving the natural relationship (sexual, courting, dating) to persue the unnatural. That cannot be any clearer than it is.
If it is in nature (animal kingdom) that is because they are animals. We were made in a different light, that even the angels are curious about us. God does care for animals, states that in bible, but we are of a different design. You want to call yourself an animal go ahead... I do not act like one, and I do not look like one. I am a human being.
Exactly. We act a little bit differently than nature does. We do many things that aren't found in nature, and most people look on those things with pride, not shame. So why is "homosexuality is unnatural" a valid argument? War is unnatural, and we're not outlawing that. Economics are unnatural, and we're not outlawing that. So why is it such a big deal to be doing something "unnatural", when most of the things we do are unnatural? (this is all, of course, ignoring that homosexuality to a small degree is natural.
Okay, we've established that it's unnatural (not really, but I don't think we'll get anywhere on that argument any more, so we can just argue like it is unnatural), but that doesn't end the issue. God recognizes the right for people to chose. That's called free will. How would the U.S. (according to you, a nation that should be more "Christian"), be acting like Christians and allowing people to chose their lifestyle, if we banned GLB marriage? That doesn't add up.I assume there is a way to be " unnatural " in a Godly way.
God wants only the best for us all.
But a Good or Godly unnatural way would not lead to this.
GAY, LESBIAN AND BISEXUAL YOUTH ARE UP TO 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ATTEMPT SUICIDE DURING ADOLESCENCE THAN HETEROSEXUAL PEERS
GAY, LESBIAN AND BISEXUAL YOUTH ARE ALSO UP TO 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE SERIOUS SUBSTANCE USE OR MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS (DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY) THAT ARE KNOWN RISK FACTORS FOR BOTH ATTEMPTED AND COMPLETED SUICIDE
GAY, LESBIAN AND BISEXUAL YOUTH ARE UP TO 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ATTEMPT SUICIDE DURING ADOLESCENCE THAN HETEROSEXUAL PEERS
GAY, LESBIAN AND BISEXUAL YOUTH ARE ALSO UP TO 6 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE SERIOUS SUBSTANCE USE OR MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS (DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY) THAT ARE KNOWN RISK FACTORS FOR BOTH ATTEMPTED AND COMPLETED SUICIDE
Could this be because homosexuals and bisexuals are looked down on so severely and exiled from most of our society?
Okay, we've established that it's unnatural (not really, but I don't think we'll get anywhere on that argument any more, so we can just argue like it is unnatural), but that doesn't end the issue. God recognizes the right for people to chose. That's called free will. How would the U.S. (according to you, a nation that should be more "Christian"), be acting like Christians and allowing people to chose their lifestyle, if we banned GLB marriage? That doesn't add up.
The state "ALLOWING" people to be gay and "APPROVING" of it and treating as a Normal relationshipare to different things.
Indeed. The government should allow it, and not decide whether it approves of it or not. That's for churches to decide, not the White House. The government needs to allow people to do what they wish, and it needs to sponsor loving, committed, monogamous relationships between two adults (hetero or homosexual), by giving them the benefits due. But it should end there.
Sodomy was a crime I thought.
In some form. But heterosexual couples commit sodomy just as often as male homosexual couple.
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=10063829
Here's an interesting article about church and state.
We shouldn't allow religious ideals to influence government policy, period. Let the church decide what it will about gay marriage, but the government needs to allow equal opportunity to all citizens, regardless of race, gender, age, or sexual preference.
The state "ALLOWING" people to be gay and "APPROVING" of it and treating as a Normal relationshipare to different things.
Indeed. The government should allow it, and not decide whether it approves of it or not. That's for churches to decide, not the White House. The government needs to allow people to do what they wish, and it needs to sponsor loving, committed, monogamous relationships between two adults (hetero or homosexual), by giving them the benefits due. But it should end there.
Sodomy was a crime I thought.
In some form. But heterosexual couples commit sodomy just as often as male homosexual couple.
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=10063829
Here's an interesting article about church and state.
We shouldn't allow religious ideals to influence government policy, period. Let the church decide what it will about gay marriage, but the government needs to allow equal opportunity to all citizens, regardless of race, gender, age, or sexual preference.
The state "ALLOWING" people to be gay and "APPROVING" of it and treating as a Normal relationshipare to different things.
Indeed. The government should allow it, and not decide whether it approves of it or not. That's for churches to decide, not the White House. The government needs to allow people to do what they wish, and it needs to sponsor loving, committed, monogamous relationships between two adults (hetero or homosexual), by giving them the benefits due. But it should end there.
Sodomy was a crime I thought.
In some form. But heterosexual couples commit sodomy just as often as male homosexual couple.
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=10063829
Here's an interesting article about church and state.
We shouldn't allow religious ideals to influence government policy, period. Let the church decide what it will about gay marriage, but the government needs to allow equal opportunity to all citizens, regardless of race, gender, age, or sexual preference.
The problem is... if the government legalizes Homoseaxuals... then the religious sect in the US will loose its rights to say No!!!
Now before I sarted trying to be Christian I was with many women.
In my personal experoence I found less than 10 % of women actually like d being sodomized and asked for it.
Most were totally repulsed by the idea as I was.
I bet you will find that is also lesbians avoid but Homosexual males have I guess little choice but to partake in ...YUUUUKKKK
If you think gays should have rights of marriage and tax advantages etc.
I think people who are into beastiality should also be able to marry their goat or whateverand get governement insurance etc on their wife the Goat....LOL
No, that's different. A monogamous, loving, committed relationship between two humans (whatever the gender) needs to be recognized by the state, and given the appropriate tax rights etc, based on that society. A relationship between a human and a goat is different, because it's not two humans involved, it's only one.
Also, how can you call homosexuality beastly? Didn't you call it unnatural before? It can't be beastly (natural), and unnatural at the same time, mate.
Not calling it the same, but how is it not to you that are Pro-H? I thought human beings are animals.... sooo than Beastiology should be an acceptable relationship. Since most Pro-H's believe there is nothing different in Nature and man, right? You right, in my eyes, they r not the same. Which is why Homosexuality is unnatural because we are not animals. Which is why a human with an animal is unnatural too. So seeing that you made this easy... both Homosexuality and beasty are wrong which means they are sin.
Lets use some common sens e here.
Yes, let's. Can you understand the difference between the goat and a human? Can you see how a relationship between two adults would be different than a relationship between an adult and a goat? We're talking abut much more than sex here. There's much more to a relationship than that.
Actually you are wrong, you could have a deep relationship with an animal. An we are not talkin about the sex part only. I am talking about the deal... the deep relationship and sex. Just like in Romans 1: 27-31- God states that men and women left the natural relationship and went after the unnatural relationships (Homosexuality- both relationship/sexual activity). For some people look at the animals as people, so you are wrong people can have deep relational bonds with animals. Some take it tooo far, and I can see the difference. Remember Humans and animals are not the same in my eyes. We are subject to a different level, for we are made in the image of God.
In my personal experoence I found less than 10 % of women actually like d being sodomized and asked for it.
Most were totally repulsed by the idea as I was.
I. This isn't representative if American society as a whole
II. That's arbitrary, because the fact of the matter is, heterosexual couples do it. Whether one or twenty thousand, it happens. It's not just a homosexual thing.
I bet you will find that is also lesbians avoid but Homosexual males have I guess little choice but to partake in ...YUUUUKKKK
No, they have a lot of choice. They can have a celibate relationship, for example. As I said earlier, there's much, much more to a relationship than sex. And to suggest that the type of sex males would have to do is worse than any other kind is ludicrous, especially when some heterosexual couples do the same thing.
Ainustorm,
I don't think that anyone said that humans and animals are the same. I am suprised that you would refer to anyone as "pro-H". I suppose that this would make you anit-H? Now this concerns me, I though that you weren't against people...
Anyway a relationship between a goat and a person is different because since goats do not have the rational part of mind, they cannot feel anything for the person. This is proof that it is an unhealthy relationship and should be abandoned as soon as possible.
I don't really see how your verses apply here, we aren't talking about animals; we're talking about people.
Lastly, of course you think having sex with your male friends is gross, YOU'RE NOT GAY!!!
If nothing else answer this please: would you not say that there were a child born without legs it would be okay for that child to use prosthetic legs? Unnatural legs? perhaps immitate what nature, or God, didn't give it? How is this different?
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