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Cieza said:I'm not the one who is asking God to communicate with me. I'm asking any Christian in here to ask God the question for me.
Is anyone in here willing to take a chance and ask God what polar direction I'm sitting in while I am typing this?
If God wants us to believe he exists, why would he care if we believe based on observable evidence or "the rock of Christ"?Yes because He will not answer. Why? Because it would have you build your faith on the sands of signs and wonders rather than the rock of Christ.Is there a reason you can't ask God what polar direction I'm sitting in as I type this?
I'm so glad you asked. As a Christian, you should believe that God knows everything. And as a Christian, you probably have claimed that you can communicate with God. So I ask you to posit your question to God himself. If God is all-knowing, then he will know how old I am - right down to the minute. I encourage you. Go ahead and ask him. I'm curious what response you get. But if you do ask, also ask what polar direction I'm sitting in as I type this.We have been told many times to build our faith in Christ and not on signs and wonders...
May i ask, How old are you?
Are you and I talking about the same thing? I'm talking about believing an all-knowing, all-powerful being either exists or does not exist. Is that what you're talking about? I'm certainly not talking about worship of great magicians. Great magicians are merely talented humans who can perform complex illusions to amuse those who are easily manipulated.But you do not. He also knows that He will doom you to the wrong type of faith if He answered your foolish request. For you are looking for a great magician to worship, and not the God of Creation. If God answers you as the great magician you are looking for then this god will be the one you respond to..
Who else can tell me what polar direction I'm facing? Why should it matter to you whether or not I believe it was God who answered it?Which leads me to my original comment. God is not the only one who can "magically" answer your questions. If you get the answer you want, then know it is not most likely God who answered it. Because God is looking to establish a relationship as a Redeemer and a Father not a magician. However the Evil one does not care who or how you see God. So long as you do not see him as He wants to be seen.
As a Christian, when you ask God a question and get a response, how can you tell if it is God or the Devil answering?So know you are asking a question that most likely the Devil will answer if anyone even does.
I am far from lost. I know precisely what polar direction I am facing, and if your God is all-knowing, then he also knows what polar direction I'm facing. So I challenge you to ask your God what polar direction I'm facing. What do you have to lose by asking?What He has shown me is that you are lost, despite the polar direction you are facing. Because you are looking for a physical direction to find God, you have been blinded to the Spiritual direction He is call you from.
Are you familiar with the term bargaining power? If the president wants me to meet him very badly and I really don't care about meeting him, it puts me in a better position of bargaining power.That is just it. Only a fool would expect to meet God on His terms. If you got a verbal request from the President of the United States to speak to you, would you expect him to meet you on your terms, or would you have to go to Him?And finally, if God wants me to acknowledge his existence, then he would know that I need verification of his knowledge.
Perhaps it is foolish if this "Commander and Chief of all of creation as Called you to Him" really does exist. But I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest that such a thing does exist. Perhaps if you would ask this "Commander" what polar direction I'm sitting in and get back to me with his response, then it might put us on the path toward there being some validity behind this "Commander".The Commander and Chief of all of creation as Called you to Him, and your response is to call Him to you. Do you truly not see what you are asking? Or are you so foolish as to not care?
How can I answer someone who doesn't even ask me questions?I have already told you I will not ask God to answer this fool's request. But i also said there is noting stopping you from answering Him.
God offers proof, but on His terms, not your own. If you seek Proof then seek the proof He offers.
You should find it oddly suspicious that you're getting precisely the same response you would get if there is a God as you would get if there is no God. Do you realize what message this sends to the non-theist?If he won't tell me what direction I'm facing, why would he tell me what direction you are facing? I think you are missing the problem here...
Cieza said:You should find it oddly suspicious that you're getting precisely the same response you would get if there is a God as you would get if there is no God. Do you realize what message this sends to the non-theist?
Is there a reason you can't ask God what polar direction I'm sitting in as I type this? If God knows everything, then he'll know precisely what polar direction I'm sitting in. Furthermore, if you can communicate with God, then he can tell you what polar direction I'm sitting in. And finally, if God wants me to acknowledge his existence, then he would know that I need verification of his knowledge.
I'll be waiting. Are you going to ask God or not?
This thread is for asking God questions. Since there are Christians in here who claim to be able to communicate with God, we'll count on them to ask the questions and then post God's answer when they get a response from God.
First question is to test God's knowledge:
What polar direction am I sitting in as I type this?
West, southwest, south, southeast, east, northeast, north or northwest?
Not quite. The message it sends to the non-theist is to further emphasize their belief that the God you believe to exist doesn't really exist.That it's not a well designed test?You should find it oddly suspicious that you're getting precisely the same response you would get if there is a God as you would get if there is no God. Do you realize what message this sends to the non-theist?
Now, you need to understand that God likes you to think (contrary to what another poster has told you). You have a brain, why not use it to discover what God is telling you. I do see a lot of relevance in this verse for where you are at spiritually, and I encourage you to think about what God has promised you and what exactly is preventing you from trusting Him. You only need to ask Him a question for yourself and you would get a response just as clear as anyone else can get. As I said, He may not answer quite the way you expect, but He is faithful to those who seek Him sincerely.It is clear, then, that God's promise to give the whole earth to Abraham and his descendants was not because Abraham obeyed God's laws but because he trusted God to keep his promise.
How can I answer someone who doesn't even ask me questions?
What kind of proof is available that God is a real being?
It's a screening test. If the guesser is right, then I'd posit him with a more difficult question, such as, "I'm thinking of a number from 1 to 1,000,000. Tell me what number I'm thinking of". There would have to be eight people claiming to have had legitimate communication with God before we'd have to move to the guess the number question. And there would have to be one million people claiming to have had legitimate communication with God before we'd move along to the next test after that.So, I have a one in eight chance of getting that right, even without God. However, if eight people come here, and all give you a different answer, will you accept that the one who gets it right speaks for God? If the answer to that is no, then there is no point anyone trying.
If I attempt this and guess and I am right then that is a one in eight coincidence; not bad odds, to be honest, but one in eight is hardly evidence of a Deity. If I am wrong, which is more probable because we are warned not to put the Lord our God to the test, then you will take that for evidence that a) there is no God and b) I am deluded.
Nice going. I think this is called wanting to have your cake and eat it.
You know those fortune telling dice that you can roll, and they will answer questions for you? God isn't like that.
There are some people who converse with demons, they too can give you the answers you are asking for and they would be delighted to win your trust. Why would you surrender your trust to them? You do need to be careful when you go barking up the wrong tree. Ask God for wisdom because you will need it if that is the path you decide to take. Wisdom would have you realize that God is in charge, He has told you what you need to do to be accepted, you only need to concede and give Him the glory He deserves.Are you and I talking about the same thing? I'm talking about believing an all-knowing, all-powerful being either exists or does not exist. Is that what you're talking about? I'm certainly not talking about worship of great magicians. Great magicians are merely talented humans who can perform complex illusions to amuse those who are easily manipulated.
Not quite. The message it sends to the non-theist is to further emphasize their belief that the God you believe to exist doesn't really exist.
It's essentially a lesser of two evils proposition when I ask the Christian to ask God something about myself that only I know. If God doesn't respond, then it's further evidence to the non-theist that God doesn't exist.
If God does respond, he'll not have the correct answer - as it is impossible for any being other than myself to know with 100% accuracy what polar direction I'm sitting in. So the Christian, well aware of each of these scenarios, chooses to not ask God anything - or claims he did ask but got no answer.
It's a screening test. If the guesser is right, then I'd posit him with a more difficult question, such as, "I'm thinking of a number from 1 to 1,000,000. Tell me what number I'm thinking of". There would have to be eight people claiming to have had legitimate communication with God before we'd have to move to the guess the number question. And there would have to be one million people claiming to have had legitimate communication with God before we'd move along to the next test after that.
Remember, I try not to speak in parables. This has nothing to do with surrendering trust. This has to do with whether or not a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.There are some people who converse with demons, they too can give you the answers you are asking for and they would be delighted to win your trust. Why would you surrender your trust to them? You do need to be careful when you go barking up the wrong tree. Ask God for wisdom because you will need it if that is the path you decide to take. Wisdom would have you realize that God is in charge, He has told you what you need to do to be accepted, you only need to concede and give Him the glory He deserves.
Cieza said:Remember, I try not to speak in parables. This has nothing to do with surrendering trust. This has to do with whether or not a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.
If such a being does indeed exist, why should I trust it? It did nothing to protect the 200,000 or so people who died in Haiti as a result of the earthquake. It did nothing to stop Hurricane Katrina from devastating New Orleans and the gulf shores of Mississippi. It did nothing to stop Hitler from wiping out some six million Jews. You are welcome to trust such a being, but I think I'll pass.
I think you are insane. I watched my grandmother's demise to bowel cancer, do you think she cursed the one who had given her life? You have a very selfish attitude. When Jesus is King there would be no reason why the buildings are substandard and earths atmosphere will be stable because we will concentrate development on efforts that matter, not just milking the cash cow that is Earth's natural resource. Don't you think global warming, and ultimately, greed, are responsible for what you don't like? I am so eager to see the new Earth!Remember, I try not to speak in parables. This has nothing to do with surrendering trust. This has to do with whether or not a fully omniscient & omnipotent being exists.
If such a being does indeed exist, why should I trust it? It did nothing to protect the 200,000 or so people who died in Haiti as a result of the earthquake. It did nothing to stop Hurricane Katrina from devastating New Orleans and the gulf shores of Mississippi. You are welcome to trust such a being, but I think I'll pass.
This thread is for asking God questions. Since there are Christians in here who claim to be able to communicate with God, we'll count on them to ask the questions and then post God's answer when they get a response from God.
First question is to test God's knowledge:
What polar direction am I sitting in as I type this?
West, southwest, south, southeast, east, northeast, north or northwest?
Provide me with step by step questions of how to ask your God a question and I'll do precisely that. My $$$ is on that I get no response.It would be far more meaningful and insightful if you asked Him yourself.
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