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Ask an Atheist

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Do you believe that the international community should interfere with the domestic politics of a nation when there are extreme human rights violations, such as genocide? (As opposed to the idea of Westphalian sovereignty).

If your answer is yes... do you think, the Holocaust which was the main action that caused a change in the preception of the Westphalian idea and promotes anti-Westphalian ideas, was a good thing or a bad thing?

You could make a career out of arguing for either side of that one.
 
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Did you find church boring, very boring?

I'm an ex-Catholic, so the answer is yes. ;)

But I did tend to find the Priest's sermons interesting, and I find that Catholic churches can often be rich feasts for the senses, especially in terms of architecture, art, and symbolism.


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waffles or pancakes? and why? and then why to your answer to that?
Waffles. The crunch and texture. I prefer crunch and texture to sogginess.

Hey, you asked to be asked questions so it is absurd to be offended by perfectly legitimate questions about your particular kind of atheism.

Or were you miffed that you were unable to work in prepared talking points? That's not a rhetorical question - I don't understand why you took umbrage when asked questions in a thread entitled "Ask ..."
 
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What are your views about the origins of existence? Do you believe that something came from something, or that something has always existed?

Do you like dark chocolate or milk chocolate better? Or are you a renegade that likes white chocolate the best?

The Non-Christian Religion forum would probably be the best. Chances are either a mod will move it there or it'll get left alone.
No, they've been on a tangent of closing threads about atheism there recently. Atheists, for good reason, tend to say that atheism is not a religion, and so they're getting their wish and it's not an allowable thread topic in NCR apparently.

-Lyn
 
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Would you say that finding church boring was as influential as the philosophy of atheism? Finally the truth about atheists: they can't sing!

That's what you think. ;)

If you come to one of our monthly atheist meet-ups, we sing many a fun song praising Darwin. We normally also feast on flying spaghetti, then for dessert, we have a nice serving of baby. Obviously. Oh, and that's all before the orgies. :thumbsup:
 
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That's what you think. ;)

If you come to one of our monthly atheist meet-ups, we sing many a fun song praising Darwin. We normally also feast on flying spaghetti, then for dessert, we have a nice serving of baby. Obviously. Oh, and that's all before the orgies. :thumbsup:
Nice.

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Sure, I reckon it is pretty arrogant to make such a claim as "There is definitely no ..." and that of the people who make such statements, few are worth listening to. They haven't any way to know. So I probably agree more with the "agnostic/weak atheist" That said, I am firmly anti-religion with few exceptions.

This falls into the problem of treating unexaminable positions equally when they do not deserve it, especially if the positive positions were likely made up precisely because they were unexaminable.

Definitely actually means there is a definitive reason why x is wrong.

It should be phrased this way:

There is an overwhelming probability that unevidenceable position x is wrong.
 
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Just shows that atheists can't sing though, as they had to synthesise the tone changes in the scientists voices by the sound of things. What I want is an atheist who can sing (not some punk/metal/goth drama queen). Can anyone name a single, unequivocally atheist singer?
 
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There is an overwhelming probability that unevidenceable position x is wrong.
Surely theism is evidencable. For example answered prayer could evidence it. I also think that inspiraiton could evidence it (cf prophethood/revelation). Also philosophy could evidence it, eg argument from design.

I think at best you can argue unevidenced rathrer than against the possibility ("unevidencable") entirely.
 
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Surely theism is evidencable. For example answered prayer could evidence it. I also think that inspiraiton could evidence it (cf prophethood/revelation). Also philosophy could evidence it, eg argument from design.

Unanswered prayer is not taken as evidence against theism. Religions never make public falce revelations and prophecy.

Your argument from phiosophy dosen't evidence it theorises, and it theorises in such a way that no evidence could ever be taken as evidence AGAINST desighn because desighn can look like anything.

I think at best you can argue unevidenced rathrer than against the possibility ("unevidencable") entirely.

If a theory fails to make a single distinction between the world it predicts and the world where the theory fails then it is an unevidencable theory.

Theism is an unevidencable theory.

A world with God in it looks exactly the same as a world without one.
 
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Just shows that atheists can't sing though, as they had to synthesise the tone changes in the scientists voices by the sound of things. What I want is an atheist who can sing (not some punk/metal/goth drama queen). Can anyone name a single, unequivocally atheist singer?
YouTube - Muse - Uprising [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

Matthew Bellamy, lead singer of Muse, is likely an atheist. I say "likely" because rockstars never seem to get their stories straight, but his comments would suggest agnostic atheism.

-Lyn
 
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Thanks for that list.
Next question, I feel that atheists are at a disadvantage because they have no institutionalised philosophy or ethics outside of the atheism bit. Wheras Christian youth can turn to the church or a priest, who might have experience in the field, an atheist may have to learn to philosophise for himself especially if his parents are not atheists. Whilst this can enable independent thinking in the long term, not everyone is going to be a skillful philosopher as a developing adult (which was true in my case). Do you feel that for example humanism, which is atheism +, is a good solution to this problem?
 
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Thanks for that list.
Next question, I feel that atheists are at a disadvantage because they have no institutionalised philosophy or ethics outside of the atheism bit. Wheras Christian youth can turn to the church or a priest, who might have experience in the field, an atheist may have to learn to philosophise for himself especially if his parents are not atheists. Whilst this can enable independent thinking in the long term, not everyone is going to be a skillful philosopher as a developing adult (which was true in my case). Do you feel that for example humanism, which is atheism +, is a good solution to this problem?

The thing is that Christianity has more to it, and therefore has more problems. If you turn to a priest or the church, you are either having an issue that is in some way related to Christianity or you are looking for Christian input. There are plenty of philosophies out there, and plenty of people who hold them. If I wanted, I could go and talk to one of them - there's no requirement for an institution.
 
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