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No, although I don't see how that has anything to do with anything.
Do you think that?
I didn't think it was.Your argument seems to focus on truth and whether it can be known. Are the five presuppositions that you give applicable to you as well and how you determine truth?
live in the world in which you and I live and move as confirmed by our posts and the bodily sensations I experience.So how 1) do and 2) can you determine which world you live it?
You said, "people exist or we live in a world of our own imagination" and I asked how and can you determine which you live in.I live in the world in which you and I live and move as confirmed by our posts and the bodily sensations I experience.
I didn't think it was.
Seeing as how this poses a circular problem, as far as a truth goes, any positive position arrived at is equally possible as any other.
How is it possible that a Christian belief can be held as truth, given this?
Wait, only i can determine that, because i think, therefore i am.You said, "people exist or we live in a world of our own imagination" and I asked how and can you determine which you live in.
That reply did not answer it.
You replied to something I said to someone else.Wait, only i can determine that, because i think, therefore i am.
I'm not sure about you guys, you could be a figment of my imagination.
But i am 100% certain that i exist.
Maybe you can convince me you really exist too, so that i will conclude we share a common reality.
I already answered your presuppositions question.It appears to me that truth and it apprehension is the topic. So, do your five presuppositions apply to you as well as others, and how do you determine what is true?
Yep.You replied to something I said to someone else.
Sure.I'd like to get back to where we were.
A recipient can only interpret meaning, unless information (unintentional or intentional) first comes from a source, correct?
I already answered your presuppositions question.
Your opinion on what the topic ('really') is and your questions about how I do anything have no bearing on the OP, as it's not about me nor am I a Christian. Can you address what I asked?
(If you are curious about your questions, feel free to start another thread.)
To summarize things you've agreed with or defined:Sure.
I apologize, I did not answer directly.No, you did not answer my question, you restated the OP. I asked if the 5 presuppositions that you referenced applied to yourself as well as others when seeking truth. The purpose of my questions is to determine if your are holding me to the same standards of determining truth as held by yourself.
It appears that you have constructed an epistemological box to put Christians in and are unwilling to tell me if you are in this box as well. This appears to be a little disingenuous. If would answer my question: do your five presuppositions apply to you as well as others, and how do you determine what is true? We can proceed in the next phase.
Yes, i think i can live with that, but i'm not sure how you mean number 5.To summarize things you've agreed with or defined:
First, everything you receive is input.
Second, input is information.
Third, information is transmitted.
Fourth, information may or may not have meaning.
Fifth, before it has any meaning it has to come from a source.
Correct?
"I'd say it's something with meaning that can be transmitted."Yes, i think i can live with that, but i'm not sure how you mean number 5.
I think the recipient more or less decides what meaning it has to the recipient itself.
Like golgotha61, i'm not sure what you're 'constructing' here, but since you're an atheist and skeptic, i suspect, based on experience with atheists and skeptics on forums, you're building a little bunker to shoot from, so to speak.
But we'll see.
Coincidentally(?) my cat just meowed at me, which is an outside source. To me, that means she is hungry.
No. It depends on the situation and information of my history with them.Do you interpret every meow that your cat utters as information to you that she is hungry?
Response?Yes, i think i can live with that, but i'm not sure how you mean number 5.
I think the recipient more or less decides what meaning it has to the recipient itself.
Like golgotha61, i'm not sure what you're 'constructing' here, but since you're an atheist and skeptic, i suspect, based on experience with atheists and skeptics on forums, you're building a little bunker to shoot from, so to speak.
But we'll see.
Sounds about right to me."I'd say it's something with meaning that can be transmitted."
I only addressed meaning, because you packaged the word 'meaning' inside the definition of 'information'. Didn't want to leave anything out.
I'll just simplify things by putting that together, in one sentence:
"Everything you receive is information transmitted from a source."
Coincidentally(?) my cat just meowed at me, which is an outside source. To me, that means she is hungry.
If I had no way of receiving any information, however implausible that may seem/be, I could not have known this external information about my cat; any external information about my cat would not exist, to me.
Correct?
External information does not exist to me, unless/until one or more of my (5) senses receives it, for it to then exist; I have to receive it, first.Sounds about right to me.
You said, "people exist or we live in a world of our own imagination" and I asked how and can you determine which you live in.
That reply did not answer it.
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