Asexuality discussion..

[Bombila]

Asexuality is not chosen. It is a natural occurring state of mind. If one choose not to have sex then it's celibacy. And, asexuality does not preclude people from having sex, whereas celibacy does..

Wahington, I know what it means and I meant what I said. Sexuality is complex, as I'm sure you know. I was celibate (did not have sex), I was asexual (had no sexual desire), I could have had sex but didn't bother.

Possibly you are trying to say that asexuality has a physiological basis, and no doubt it often/usually does, whereas you see my example as having been a conscious choice (it wasn't), while I am pretty sure some rather complicated hormonal issues did indeed provoke my experience, which makes it physiological.

Unless you wish to restrict the term asexual to persons who have never experienced sexual desire at all, but that seems rather narrow to me.

 

[Washington]

Wahington, I know what it means and I meant what I said. Sexuality is complex, as I'm sure you know. I was celibate (did not have sex), I was asexual (had no sexual desire), I could have had sex but didn't bother.

Possibly you are trying to say that asexuality has a physiological basis, and no doubt it often/usually does, whereas you see my example as having been a conscious choice (it wasn't), while I am pretty sure some rather complicated hormonal issues did indeed provoke my experience, which makes it physiological.

Unless you wish to restrict the term asexual to persons who have never experienced sexual desire at all, but that seems rather narrow to me.

This is pretty much how I regard it




From a Wikipedia article on asexuality.

Asexuality is a sexual orientation describing individuals who do not experience sexual attraction.​

Asexuality as a human sexual orientation has only been recognized and defined in a few academic studies since the late 1970s, and a community of self-identified asexuals has only coalesced since the start of the 21st century, aided by the widening popularity of online communities.[1] One commonly cited study placed the incidence rate of asexuality at 1%.[2]​

Note that asexuality is not the same as celibacy, which is the deliberate abstention from sexual activity; many asexuals do have sex,[3] and most celibates are not asexual.

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[cantata]

Wahington, I know what it means and I meant what I said. Sexuality is complex, as I'm sure you know. I was celibate (did not have sex), I was asexual (had no sexual desire), I could have had sex but didn't bother.

Possibly you are trying to say that asexuality has a physiological basis, and no doubt it often/usually does, whereas you see my example as having been a conscious choice (it wasn't), while I am pretty sure some rather complicated hormonal issues did indeed provoke my experience, which makes it physiological.

Unless you wish to restrict the term asexual to persons who have never experienced sexual desire at all, but that seems rather narrow to me.

You go ahead and define your sexuality however you choose.

I know that some people do have a choice. I dislike being told that I didn't and don't, just as I dislike other people who didn't and don't being told that they did. It's all bigotry of one form or another.

 

[.Sabre.]

It's just the way a person might be--doesn't bother me in the slightest.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Is this a disorder, a curse?

Neither, I'd wager. Now celibacy and other forms of denial - THAT's a curse.

Do you know any?

No.

What do you think of it?

I sure wouldn't want to live like that. But they probably don't quite feel about it that way. They simply don't know what they're missing.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

It's apparently "treatable"..

 

[Beanieboy]

Pesonally, it's one of the beautiful things of sexuality. Sexuality is like flowers. Some are roses. Some are violets. Dandelions grow in cracks in sidewalks, but orchids need to be babied.

The same is true in sexuality. There are peopel that are equally attracted to both sexes. Some are only atttracted to the opposite sex, and some are attracted to the same sex.

Even within what we define as "sexuality identification", there are women that grow beards, men that have very high voices, women that say they identify as male, or males that identify as female. And occassionally there is someone born with both sexes, that is technically a boy and a girl.

Asexuality is simply one of the beautiful differences that makes humans so fascinating. Is it sad? Someone may say, 'I'm so sad for you that you are gay and can't enjoy a life with a woman and have a family," but for me, I'm not sad at all. I'm very happy simply being who I am, and what I was created to be.

I suppose a bird can say to a squirrel, "It's so sad that you can't fly", but a squirrel spends very little time wishing he was something else.

I don't know much about asexuality, and it would be rather fascinating to find out about the person's life. Do they date? Do they have platonic partners, or just date no one and only have friends? How is it to live in a society that is always telling you to connect with someone, the love of your life, and live happily ever after? Have they ever been in love?

The whole idea is rather fascinating.

 

[Diane_Windsor]

Is this a disorder, a curse? Do you know any? What do you think of it?

Interesting you should bring this up~I recently saw a 20/20 segment about asexuality on the WE network. It is neither as disorder or a curse~as many asexuals interviewed by 20/20 were very happy and lead productive lives.

For those interested asexuals have their own Network.

 

[Khameo]

This thread is hilarious.

It's like a homosexuality topic in bizarro world.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

This thread is hilarious.

It's like a homosexuality topic in bizarro world.

How so? ^
Yeah, I'd advise people to check that site out.

 

[GrayCat]

Interesting you should bring this up~I recently saw a 20/20 segment about asexuality on the WE network. It is neither as disorder or a curse~as many asexuals interviewed by 20/20 were very happy and lead productive lives.

For those interested asexuals have their own Network.

Thanks for posting that site. It was quite helpful for me as i am trying to define myself.

 

[TheBear]

Isn't asexuality is the result of low testosterone hormone levels in males and low estrogen hormone levels in females?

Anyway, what does any of this have to do with morals and ethics?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Isn't asexuality is the result of low testosterone hormone levels in males and low estrogen hormone levels in females?

Anyway, what does any of this have to do with morals and ethics?

I couldn't think of anywhere else to post it. And many people think it isn't right, or a disability.

 

[TooCurious]

There are some people in the world (I've even met some of them) who don't like chocolate. I am, personally, baffled by this; how can anyone not like chocolate? But they don't. For whatever reason, they simply dislike the taste. And that's okay. It doesn't really matter that I simply cannot grasp how anyone can dislike chocolate, or that I think chocolate is the best thing since mankind harnessed fire. Another person's lack of enjoyment of chocolate neither harms nor hinders me in any way, and so they are entitled to their dessert preferences, as I am to mine.

I tend to view asexuality in a similar way. Certainly, asexuality is probably a much more significant aspect of a person's identity than not liking chocolate, but my feelings on the subject are much the same: I can't personally wrap my mind around it, and for my own part, I wouldn't wish to be asexual (I like liking sex), but if another person is asexual and content to be so, that's perfectly okay. Why shouldn't it be?

 

[GeratTzedek]

I see. And I can understand why you think that way, but people can live happily without it, it could be labeled as freedom from something that enslaves everyone else. Thanks for the reply. I'm just trying to get a non-Christians view on this thing.

This non Christian says:
It is a sad disability. It's also known as impotence (men) and frigidity (women.)

This is the kind of thing they have therapists for. I would hope someone with this problem would , after ruling out possible medical reasons, get the psychological help they need.

There is a midrash (story) told about Yetzer Hara (sinful nature/ animal instincts). A man appeals to G-d to remove the Yetzer Hara from the earth, as it is the source of so much misery. G-d grants his wish. Suddenly there are no children, no flowers, no butterflies. Song birds no longer sing their mating calls. The man realizes that all of these beautiful things have to do with sex, and its purpose of creating new life, and he repents of his request. G-d restores Yetzer Hara to the world.

Despite the problems that comes with our sexual drive, it is much, much sadder to be deprived of it.

 

[cantata]

This non Christian says:
It is a sad disability. It's also known as impotence (men) and frigidity (women.)

This is the kind of thing they have therapists for. I would hope someone with this problem would , after ruling out possible medical reasons, get the psychological help they need.

Oh, please.

If people don't want to have sex, who are we to tell them that they should?

Just think: they won't be having extramarital sex, gay sex, getting pregnant, or getting diseases. They won't even be masturbating or watching pornography. They'll just be quietly contributing to society. I'd have thought you'd be pleased.

 

[GeratTzedek]

You didn't hear me. I am not saying to order people to have sex. I'm saying if someone lacks the desire, there is something WRONG in need of FIXING.

If someone were blinded, or lost their hearing, would you pretend nothing was wrong? Or would you try to do what you could to help?

 

[cantata]

You didn't hear me. I am not saying to order people to have sex. I'm saying if someone lacks the desire, there is something WRONG in need of FIXING.

If someone were blinded, or lost their hearing, would you pretend nothing was wrong? Or would you try to do what you could to help?

It depends what they wanted.

 

[GeratTzedek]

Isn't asexuality is the result of low testosterone hormone levels in males and low estrogen hormone levels in females?

Anyway, what does any of this have to do with morals and ethics?

There is more than one thing which can cause these problems. Yes, low testosterone in men will cause this. Women are more complicated -- our sex drive is related to how much testosterone we have as well, but it fluctuates with the impact of other hormones. But a lot of impotence/frigidity is psychological in nature. For example, a young girl who gets molested is statistically likely to respond in one of three ways: 1. become promiscuous 2. turn her sexual interests towards other women 3. become frigid.

 

[GeratTzedek]

Oh puhleeze. So a person who is deaf says to you, "I am not disabled" (and there are actually those that will) you will actually deny that they are disabled simply because they insist they are not?