Asbury Revival

jiminpa · Feb 28, 2023

Hopefully this is my last word on here, until I get stupid and come back. God is moving. Anyone who doesn't like it can be left in the dark. It's just my observation.

God bless you all.

ARBITER01 · Feb 28, 2023

ByTheSpirit said:
You keep bringing TB into the reasons why you disagree with whats going on,

Incorrect.

I disagree with it because the salvations and fillings of The Spirit with the accompanying gifts are not in the forefront. That's how I would know it was The Holy Spirit. As I said before in other posts, that was how people knew that Azusa street was real.

Todd Bentley is just a somewhat recent example of how things can be wrong, and it took a while for people to realize their error with him.

ByTheSpirit · Feb 28, 2023

ARBITER01 said:
Incorrect.

I disagree with it because the salvations and fillings of The Spirit with the accompanying gifts are not in the forefront. That's how I would know it was The Holy Spirit. As I said before in other posts, that was how people knew that Azusa street was real.

Todd Bentley is just a somewhat recent example of how things can be wrong, and it took a while for people to realize their error with him.

Is the end goal of our faith the gifts? Or is it to praise and honor God the Father? Seems to me the gifts are only around to help grow and develop the body no?

Maybe Im misunderstanding what you are saying.

LesSme · Feb 28, 2023

ByTheSpirit said:
You keep bringing TB into the reasons why you disagree with whats going on, but the issue with that line of logic is there is no one within this move that is making it about them. No "rock stars" on stage looking to promote themselves or their ministry.

But honestly, that should still not be a concern. Paul said that there were people preaching with selfish motives and what was his response? Not, "well they are just charlatans so they should be ignored." It was Praise God the gospel is being preached. Id be willing to wager people did actually find faith in God even through the preaching of people that some would consider reprobate. (Cant mention names)

So lets get on this thing together brother, praise God what is happening, and ask His grace and favor to let it continue!

Unfortunately by many firsthand accounts the gospel is not being preached, including in the sermon that spurred the ongoing activity. No gospel, no revival.

Always in His Presence · Mar 1, 2023

LesSme said:
Unfortunately by many firsthand accounts the gospel is not being preached, including in the sermon that spurred the ongoing activity. No gospel, no revival.

Really?

Always in His Presence · Mar 1, 2023

Here is the full sermon:

Forgiveness through Jesus - a call to repentance - and honoring Jesus as Lord - sounds like the Gospel to me.

LesSme · Mar 1, 2023

hislegacy said:
Really?

Yes, really. Please point out where he conveyed the gospel. He did not.

Always in His Presence · Mar 1, 2023

ByTheSpirit said:
Is the end goal of our faith the gifts? Or is it to praise and honor God the Father? Seems to me the gifts are only around to help grow and develop the body no?
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QFT - that is wisdom.

Always in His Presence · Mar 1, 2023

LesSme said:
Yes, really. Please point out where he conveyed the gospel. He did not.

fixed the link - he preached Paul's message to the church at Rome - did Paul not preach the Gospel?

LesSme · Mar 1, 2023

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hislegacy said:
QFT - that is wisdom.

I listened to the video In your post I replied to, the end of his sermon. 2:30 mins., which I have heard previously. I can’t listen to the entire thirty mins. now but will make it a point to do so later today.

Always in His Presence · Mar 1, 2023

LesSme said:
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I listened to the video In your post I replied to, the end of his sermon. 2:30 mins., which I have heard previously. I can’t listen to the entire thirty mins. now but will make it a point to do so later today.

He was preaching a topical sermon on the love of God. Used Romans 12 extensively. His audience are students at a Bible School - As Paul was addressing the Church at Rome - he was addressing the same topic to his church at Asbury. The sermon finished with a call to repentance.

Asbury is Methodist - not Charismatic, so the issue with tongues is moot. What is evident is the solid message and the results - repentance followed by worship.

That is a godly sermon.

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Bobber · Mar 1, 2023

So some are saying it's not revival for they don't see this or they don't see that.

For the very reason that they're being diligent in coming together with a love to the Lord shows a degree of being revived. If one thinks they're not hitting the full target of what revival is then keep praying for the saints that all will enter into the full measure of what God wants to do for them and their community.

LesSme · Mar 1, 2023

hislegacy said:
He was preaching a topical sermon on the love of God. Used Romans 12 extensively. His audience are students at a Bible School - As Paul was addressing the Church at Rome - he was addressing the same topic to his church at Asbury. The sermon finished with a call to repentance.

Asbury is Methodist - not Charismatic, so the issue with tongues is moot. What is evident is the solid message and the results - repentance followed by worship.

That is a godly sermon.

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I heard no call to repentance, at all. The love of God does not equate to the gospel.

Wesleyan-Holiness is much more akin to the charismatic tradition than the Methodist.

Always in His Presence · Mar 1, 2023

LesSme said:
I heard no call to repentance, at all.

you did not listen to the same sermon I did then.

LesSme said:
The love of God does not equate to the gospel.

Was Paul not preaching the Gospel to the church at Rome?

LesSme said:
Wesleyan-Holiness is much more akin to the charismatic tradition than the Methodist.

Hardly - John Wesley - their foundation (Wesley Methodist) - they have not strayed from their core.

Spiritual Vitality – Asbury University

www.asbury.edu

We believe:

That the Scriptures of both the Old and New Testaments constitute the divinely inspired Word of God, that they are inerrant in the original writings, and that they are the final authority for truth and life.
That all truth is a unity since it originates in God, and that God imparts it to man through His revelation in Jesus Christ, in the Scriptures, and in nature.
That there is one God, eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
That Jesus Christ was begotten by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, and is true God and true man.
That Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that His atonement is for the whole human race, and that whosoever repents and believes through faith in Him is justified and regenerated and saved from the dominion of sin.
That man was created in the image of God, that man fell into sin through disobedience and “so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned” (Romans 5:12), that all human beings are born with a bent toward sinning, and in the case of those who reach moral responsibility, become sinners in need of conversion.
That entire sanctification is that act of divine grace, through the baptism with the Holy Spirit, by which the heart is cleansed from all sin and filled with the pure love of God. This is a definite, cleansing work of grace in the heart of a believer, subsequent to conversion, resulting from full consecration and faith in the cleansing merit of the blood of Jesus Christ.
That the Holy Spirit bears witness both to the new birth and to entire sanctification, enables the Christian to live a godly life, to grow in the graces of the Spirit, and to walk blamelessly in His holy commandments.
That the church is the body of Christ, and that all who are united by faith to Him are its members and love one another out of pure hearts.
That the crucified body of the Lord was resurrected, that He ascended into heaven, and that His return will be personal and is imminent.
That there will be a bodily resurrection, of the just to everlasting blessedness, and of the unjust to everlasting punishment.

Notice zero mention of the Charisms

jiminpa · Mar 1, 2023

I don't understand what the guy on stage, or the philosophy of the owners of the room have to do with whether God feeds hungry hearts. As if the sermon is bigger than the Holy Spirit.

jiminpa · Mar 1, 2023

...also, before we declare this move, not a genuine revival, maybe we should examine what a revival is. It's not a biblical word. It's a secular word applied to spiritual events, so the meaning of the word itself is valid. If it's all about salvations, it's not a revival. To revive something is to restore vitality. In a spiritual context, the unsaved can't be revived, since they were never alive to begin with. Does revival require repentence? Are there reasons besides sin that one could lose vitality, like say exhaustion? So, there would be a need for revival, but not repentance.

Next fallacy. Any move of God has to fit into the definition of revival. Well, since revival isn't a biblical thing, I don't think so.

How about any move of God has to look just like the day of Pentecost in Acts 2? That kind of throws out every other move of God in the Bible.

How about we just let God be God, and we enjoy the journey with Him. The alternatives aren't so good.

ARBITER01 · Mar 1, 2023

ByTheSpirit said:
Is the end goal of our faith the gifts? Or is it to praise and honor God the Father? Seems to me the gifts are only around to help grow and develop the body no?

Maybe Im misunderstanding what you are saying.

This is probably the 3rd time I've mentioned this on here,.....

If people are going to say that this is a move involving The Holy Spirit,..... then we need evidence of His work, we don't just assume it.

How do we know that The Holy Spirit is involved? By His manifestations,.... which are,.... operations of His gifts, either when people are being filled like in Acts 10 or corporately like they were in Acts 2.

It would also be nice to see strong preaching like was recorded of Peter whereby 3000 were saved afterwards.

Now,.... are we seeing any of this evidence happening? No. Nobody is being saved, and nobody is being filled with The Holy Spirit with the accompanying gifts.

Well ok, guess what, you've got a church service going on. Mystery solved. See how easy that was?

You know it's funny, any other time people are all in your face with scripture about things on here, but they immediately throw their bible to the side as soon as someone mentions a revival. Same thing has happened before with the other wannabe revivals I've mentioned in other posts. I'm not sure why this happens all the time, unless it is a case of wedge issues, where a few are against something so everyone decides to be for it in hopes that they will be wrong somehow.

I don't know, but hey whatever, everyone enjoy your live streamed church service.

jiminpa · Mar 1, 2023

I'm the first one to believe in the gifts as evidence of the baptism of the Spirit, but I can't deny that the fruit of the Spirit is far more important. Maybe these "kids" are operating in the gifts, but they aren't shouting it from the rooftops. This is also a movement of humility.

I have a friend that I know is Spirit filled. I've known her since the early 1980s, although I don't see her much anymore. I've never heard her pray or speak in tongues, or seen her lay hands on the sick, or prophesy. She just isn't very public with those things. I know she's Spirit filled.

jiminpa · Mar 1, 2023

ARBITER01 said:
This is probably the 3rd time I've mentioned this on here,.....

If people are going to say that this is a move involving The Holy Spirit,..... then we need evidence of His work, we don't just assume it.

How do we know that The Holy Spirit is involved? By His manifestations,.... which are,.... operations of His gifts, either when people are being filled like in Acts 10 or corporately like they were in Acts 2.

It would also be nice to see strong preaching like was recorded of Peter whereby 3000 were saved afterwards.

Now,.... are we seeing any of this evidence happening? No. Nobody is being saved, and nobody is being filled with The Holy Spirit with the accompanying gifts.

Well ok, guess what, you've got a church service going on. Mystery solved. See how easy that was?

You know it's funny, any other time people are all in your face with scripture about things on here, but they immediately throw their bible to the side as soon as someone mentions a revival. Same thing has happened before with the other wannabe revivals I've mentioned in other posts. I'm not sure why this happens all the time, unless it is a case of wedge issues, where a few are against something so everyone decides to be for it in hopes that they will be wrong somehow.

I don't know, but hey whatever, everyone enjoy your live streamed church service.

You make good points, but I personally think that you are forgetting a few instances in the Bible where the people were just humbled and awestruck by the presence of God. Yes, I want more operation in the gifts, but those of us who have been Christians for decades aren't exactly setting an example. Maybe all of this is just breaking ground. I know that my spirit is rejoicing, and as far as I can tell it's in harmony with the Holy Spirit.

jiminpa · Mar 1, 2023

Since it was asked for:

2 Chronicles 5:11-14 New King James Version

11 And it came to pass when the priests came out of the Most Holy Place (for all the priests who were present had [a]sanctified themselves, without keeping to their divisions), 12 and the Levites who were the singers, all those of Asaph and Heman and Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, stood at the east end of the altar, clothed in white linen, having cymbals, stringed instruments and harps, and with them one hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets— 13 indeed it came to pass, when the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord, and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the Lord, saying:
“For He is good,
For His mercy endures forever,”
that the house, the house of the Lord, was filled with a cloud, 14 so that the priests could not [b]continue ministering because of the cloud; for the glory of the Lord filled the house of God.

2 Samuel 6:15-16

15So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting, and with the sound of the horn.
16 As the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window, and saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord; and she despised him in her heart.

I know there are many more, but I'm working so I don't have time to look them all up.

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