As Christians, do we worship God or Jesus?

[1an]

1 God and one son/mediator. 1 + 1 equal two bodies.

Again, I cannot put it more simply. For those of you who have been caught up in this clearly confusing man made tradition that most if you have a hard time trying to explain, it is likely you simply will not let go if it.

Only one body and one invisible spirit

 

[Kenny'sID]

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. (John 20:28 KJ

Yet the scriptures also say there is one God and Christ is a mediator, so now what?

 

[Albion]

1 God and one son/mediator. 1 + 1 equal two bodies.

Again, I cannot put it more simply.

I got it. It's wrong and not even considered to be "Christian" by the rules of Christian Forum, but I got it.

If you cannot contemplate any complexities being inherent in the nature of the Almighty, recognizing that the issue is way, way, above our mortal comprehension level, I know that I am not likely to dissuade you with Bible verses that disprove your POV.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Water in a cup = 1 cup of water

God in Christ = God with us.

Yes, God with us, they are the same in thought but two separate beings, and your analogy does not prove otherwise.

 

[Kenny'sID]

They are more than alike; they are one.
One God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

So you say.

And i noticed no one would give me a direct answer to the question I posed on 2 threads, someting that says a whole lot in my view.

One would either need to lie, something none of you want to do, or answer it directly, someting that would expose the fact they are 2 beings.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So are you saying that you don't accept the Trinity?

Nice try.

Now, show me biblical proof they are all one being, and I'll consider accepting it,

 

[Kenny'sID]

Only one body and one invisible spirit

Nothing new to bring forth?

 

[Albion]

One would either need to lie, something none of you want to do, or answer it directly, someting that would expose the fact they are 2 beings.

How can you rationalize that in view of the Bible's explicit teaching that there is only ONE God and that Jesus was God and claimed to be God while directing all questioners to the Father in heaven?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I got it. It's wrong and not even considered to be "Christian" by the rules of Christian Forum, but I got it.

If you cannot contemplate any complexities being inherent in the nature of the Almighty, recognizing that the issue is way, way, above our mortal comprehension level, I know that I am not likely to dissuade you with Bible verses that disprove your POV.

If it's going to upset you, I suggest we no longer argue the matter.

Besides, this is going nowhere, and I dont see that changing

 

[Kenny'sID]

How can you rationalize that in view of the Bible's explicit teaching that there is only ONE God and that Jesus was God and claimed to be God while directing all questioners to the Father in heaven?

Jesus might as well be God as their thoughts are the same, but they are 2 separate beings. He is the son and God is God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady

Your not fully understanding the Trinity my friend. Jesus is God. To worship Jesus is to worship God.

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:27-30‬ ‭NASB‬‬

I get what your saying tho but I would politely point out that the apostles worshipped Jesus. I would suggest reviewing the opening introductions in all of Paul’s epistles. Paul praises & worships Jesus in his opening statements in every one of his epistles.

 

[Albion]

Jesus might as well be God as their thoughts are the same, but they are 2 separate beings.

...and that presumption is the big error, not anything about mediators or adding up numbers, etc.

If you cannot contemplate other than that two of anything means separate but equal, then you're stuck there. On oak and an acorn are two different species of trees, therefore. A beagle and a cocker spaniel are two different kinds of animals since they cannot both be dogs. And so it would also be with God.

 

[Strong in Him]

Nice try.

I'm not "trying" anything - I'm asking you if you believe that central and important Christian doctrine that God is 3 persons in 1. Tri-unity; 1 in 3 and 3 in 1.
Jesus is God the Son, fully God and fully man.

Now, show me biblical proof they are all one being, and I'll consider accepting it,

I did.
I showed you Scriptures which say that there was more than one person in the Godhead at creation. I showed you Scriptures which said that the universe was created through, and by, Jesus and that he shared God's glory before the world began. I showed you Scriptures which said that the Spirt of God was with God in the beginning, is Holy and understands the things of God.

See post #97

 

[Strong in Him]

Jesus might as well be God

Just as well that he is then.

 

[hedrick]

Does snyone think the following is relevant to this thread?

John 4:23 (NRSV): But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him.

 

[steppinrazor]

If someone in our church posted this, he would be removed from the membership roles.

If Jesus is not your God, then Jesus is not your savior.

WOW. Nice church you got there. Remind me to never attend one of your oh so holy membership meetings...err..church services

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread is closed. There is some flaming and teaching against the Trinity. ​

 

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