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As a Christian, how many of you believe in evolution?
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<blockquote data-quote="the iconoclast" data-source="post: 73662436" data-attributes="member: 373964"><p>Excellent. So to perform this test we must choose materials according to what you want to prove ie classified into categories. To perform a test involving hydraulics i wouldn't use a method which is associated with brewing beer or an inert gas? Please correct me if im wrong. So far i have only made one claim, Jesus is real and you can know Him? What evidence do you need to justify or be convinced of this claim? Lets back track Connie - "How do you know God only exists in our imagination?" Tmoney - "For the same reason that you understand today that Poseidon only existed in the imagination of ancient peoples and that there is no god with a pitchfork ruling over the tides of the seas. " Connie - "What reason is that? I gave you my testimony - evidence - it would only be fair for you to give me yours?" Tmoney - "I can't give you what I don't have. As I said, I have zero rational reasons to believe in your religion. Zero." So poseidon exists in the imagination of peoples but you cannot give me a reason as to why this is so. You cannot give what you dont have, you just have an irrational, rational. So this is speculation rather than fact. What is it called when you accept as true - that poseidon only existed in the imagination of ancient peoples - without proof? Please excuse my attention to detail. Lets back track, please remember this reply is relevant to the previous post. Connie - "How do you know God only exists in our imagination?" Tmoney - "For the same reason that you understand today that Poseidon only existed in the imagination of ancient peoples and that there is no god with a pitchfork ruling over the tides of the seas. Or that there is no Jupiter throwing lightning bolts during storms. Or that there is no Thor smashing his hammer to create thunder." Connie - "What reason is that? I gave you my testimony - evidence - it would only be fair for you to give me yours?" Tmoney - "We know what thunder and lightning is. It doesn't require supernatural entities." So God exists in my imagination because of what we know about thunder and lightning, it does not require supernatural entities? God exists in my imagination because "there is no Jupiter throwing lightning bolts during storms. Or that there is no Thor smashing his hammer to create thunder". So far it looks like you are suggesting that Jupiter and thor do not exist, therefore God does not exist? Connie - "Please indulge me my dear. What data do you refer to or authority for this data and how did it prove gods are consistent with being imaginary?" Tmoney - "The answer to your question is in the quote you are replying to. The data of the world. There is no data pointing to any gods. Hence all data is consistent with gods not existing." Connie - "My dear if i were to give you this answer that explains nothing, you would not accept it either." Tmoney - "I'm not giving you something that is supposed to explain anything." So you prefer to make statements rather than defend your position or arguements. Interesting. Ill give you another shot to redeem your self. Please indulge me my dear. What data do you refer to or what is you authority for this data? How did it prove gods are consistent with being imaginary? What lack of data? What do you expect to see that you do not? Dude it is such a laxed position. I dont need to expain everything, you do! You need to keep up to date and change when new evidence will be presented. You will never have rest! What lack of data? What do you expect to see that you do not? A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. Lets review this section of our conversation. Good thing i record all our discussions, it takes mins to see what the substance is. Tmoney - "The answer to your question is in the quote you are replying to. The data of the world. There is no data pointing to any gods. Hence all data is consistent with gods not existing." Connie - "What data do you refer to or authority for this data and how did it prove gods are consistent with being imaginary?" Tmoney - "I didn't say it proves anything. Stop strawmanning." My dear when we consider the context and the substance of our discussion, could you please show me how i committed this fallacy? And im asking what or who's data do you refer to. Show me? So we have a consistent theme from you. Santa and unicorns do not exist, therefore God does not exist? Why is this agruement you frequently use - i suspect as a form of ridicule - not a category error? How is santa and unicorns related to God? Please give me as much detail as possible</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the iconoclast, post: 73662436, member: 373964"] Excellent. So to perform this test we must choose materials according to what you want to prove ie classified into categories. To perform a test involving hydraulics i wouldn't use a method which is associated with brewing beer or an inert gas? Please correct me if im wrong. So far i have only made one claim, Jesus is real and you can know Him? What evidence do you need to justify or be convinced of this claim? Lets back track Connie - "How do you know God only exists in our imagination?" Tmoney - "For the same reason that you understand today that Poseidon only existed in the imagination of ancient peoples and that there is no god with a pitchfork ruling over the tides of the seas. " Connie - "What reason is that? I gave you my testimony - evidence - it would only be fair for you to give me yours?" Tmoney - "I can't give you what I don't have. As I said, I have zero rational reasons to believe in your religion. Zero." So poseidon exists in the imagination of peoples but you cannot give me a reason as to why this is so. You cannot give what you dont have, you just have an irrational, rational. So this is speculation rather than fact. What is it called when you accept as true - that poseidon only existed in the imagination of ancient peoples - without proof? Please excuse my attention to detail. Lets back track, please remember this reply is relevant to the previous post. Connie - "How do you know God only exists in our imagination?" Tmoney - "For the same reason that you understand today that Poseidon only existed in the imagination of ancient peoples and that there is no god with a pitchfork ruling over the tides of the seas. Or that there is no Jupiter throwing lightning bolts during storms. Or that there is no Thor smashing his hammer to create thunder." Connie - "What reason is that? I gave you my testimony - evidence - it would only be fair for you to give me yours?" Tmoney - "We know what thunder and lightning is. It doesn't require supernatural entities." So God exists in my imagination because of what we know about thunder and lightning, it does not require supernatural entities? God exists in my imagination because "there is no Jupiter throwing lightning bolts during storms. Or that there is no Thor smashing his hammer to create thunder". So far it looks like you are suggesting that Jupiter and thor do not exist, therefore God does not exist? Connie - "Please indulge me my dear. What data do you refer to or authority for this data and how did it prove gods are consistent with being imaginary?" Tmoney - "The answer to your question is in the quote you are replying to. The data of the world. There is no data pointing to any gods. Hence all data is consistent with gods not existing." Connie - "My dear if i were to give you this answer that explains nothing, you would not accept it either." Tmoney - "I'm not giving you something that is supposed to explain anything." So you prefer to make statements rather than defend your position or arguements. Interesting. Ill give you another shot to redeem your self. Please indulge me my dear. What data do you refer to or what is you authority for this data? How did it prove gods are consistent with being imaginary? What lack of data? What do you expect to see that you do not? Dude it is such a laxed position. I dont need to expain everything, you do! You need to keep up to date and change when new evidence will be presented. You will never have rest! What lack of data? What do you expect to see that you do not? A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. Lets review this section of our conversation. Good thing i record all our discussions, it takes mins to see what the substance is. Tmoney - "The answer to your question is in the quote you are replying to. The data of the world. There is no data pointing to any gods. Hence all data is consistent with gods not existing." Connie - "What data do you refer to or authority for this data and how did it prove gods are consistent with being imaginary?" Tmoney - "I didn't say it proves anything. Stop strawmanning." My dear when we consider the context and the substance of our discussion, could you please show me how i committed this fallacy? And im asking what or who's data do you refer to. Show me? So we have a consistent theme from you. Santa and unicorns do not exist, therefore God does not exist? Why is this agruement you frequently use - i suspect as a form of ridicule - not a category error? How is santa and unicorns related to God? Please give me as much detail as possible [/QUOTE]
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