As a Christian, how many of you believe in evolution?

Astrophile · May 7, 2019

xianghua said:
no. they are different from apes. they can talk for instance. apes cant.

That doesn't change the fact that every component of the human body (bones, muscles, nerves, etc.) has its counterpart in the bodies of apes, so anatomically we are apes. Also, apes communicate with each other by sound, although they can't form articulate words. Finally, basenjis can't bark - https://petcube.com/blog/dogs-dont-bark/- but that doesn't mean that they are not dogs.

xianghua · May 8, 2019

Astrophile said:
That doesn't change the fact that every component of the human body (bones, muscles, nerves, etc.) has its counterpart in the bodies of apes, so anatomically we are apes.

i think that it may be also true for a cat. and yet we are not a cat. dont you think that even a kid can tell us what is human and what is a monkey? this show us that there is a big different between a monkey and human.

xianghua · May 8, 2019

Tom Farebrother said:
On what basis though? You could only determine that it was designed if you could actually prove that it was the impossible for it to have evolved. To do that you would need a complete understanding of evolutionary processes and how to falsify them in this instance. What it looks like isn’t proof.

so a spinning motor isnt evidence for design?

Tom 1 · May 8, 2019

xianghua said:
so a spinning motor isnt evidence for design?

Who's to say it couldn't have evolved? Or that evolution isn't the design process? By design do you mean some kind of more complicated version of things being designed and built in a workshop?

Subduction Zone · May 8, 2019

xianghua said:
i think that it may be also true for a cat. and yet we are not a cat. dont you think that even a kid can tell us what is human and what is a monkey? this show us that there is a big different between a monkey and human.

No, significant differences can be found between humans and cats. Cats do not have hands. Their front paws are similar, but they are not prehensile. Our ears are on the side of our heads, as are those of other apes, Cats' ears are on top of their heads. A biologist could list difference after difference. Ooh, tails. Apes do not have tails except as atavisms. As I said the list would go on and on.

Speedwell · May 8, 2019

xianghua said:
so a spinning motor isnt evidence for design?

No. Form and functionality are not evidence for design.

Astrophile · May 8, 2019

xianghua said:
i think that it may be also true for a cat. and yet we are not a cat. dont you think that even a kid can tell us what is human and what is a monkey? this show us that there is a big different between a monkey and human.

The fact that there are differences between humans and apes (or monkeys, if you prefer) doesn't mean that we don't share common ancestors with apes and monkeys. A child can see the difference between a sheep and a goat, or between a Great Dane and a poodle, or between a Nigerian and a Japanese, but sheep and goats, Great Danes and poodles, and Nigerians and Japanese respectively, are descended from common ancestors.

pitabread · May 8, 2019

xianghua said:
dont you think that even a kid can tell us what is human and what is a monkey? this show us that there is a big different between a monkey and human.

Last time I checked, "what kids think" wasn't the basis for modern taxonomy.

Besides, there are far more similarities both from with respect to anatomy and genetics between monkeys and humans than there are differences.

Subduction Zone · May 8, 2019

pitabread said:
Last time I checked, "what kids think" wasn't the basis for modern taxonomy.

Besides, there are far more similarities both from with respect to anatomy and genetics between monkeys and humans than there are differences.

But it can be, if properly applied. Kent Hovind came up with a brilliant test, jump to the 8 minute mark if you don't want to watch the whole thing.

Almost forgot to post the video!

Ophiolite · May 8, 2019

xianghua said:
dont you think that even a kid can tell us what is human and what is a monkey? this show us that there is a big different between a monkey and human.

The main difference between humans and monkeys is that humans generally scratch their backsides when no one is looking, whereas monkeys aren't bothered either way. Since young children also tend to be indifferent to who is watching, it occurs to me they may find distinguishing one form the other difficult.

Kylie · May 9, 2019

xianghua said:
i think that it may be also true for a cat. and yet we are not a cat. dont you think that even a kid can tell us what is human and what is a monkey? this show us that there is a big different between a monkey and human.

Most structures in a cat's body have an analogous structure in a human body. For example, we have a thing to pump blood, so does a cat. And the two things are so similar in design and function that we call them the same thing - a heart. And this extreme similarity is evidence that both cats and humans evolved from a common ancestor who has a similar heart structure. But there are significant morphological differences. For example, when you compare a human skull and a cat skull, you see big similarities - the layout of the bones is similar, but the shape of the bones is different.

TheSinningServant · May 9, 2019

I believe in evolution 100%. In Genesis 1 it is said God made the sea creatures, then the land creatures, then He said let there be man. This is exactly the order evolution is said to have evolved scientifically as well. That being said, I believe evolution occured up until man was made. This is why, in my opinion, there is the infamous missing link. Because once God decided to make humans, there was no longer a need for evolution. His plan had been completed.

Kylie · May 9, 2019

TheSinningServant said:
I believe in evolution 100%. In Genesis 1 it is said God made the sea creatures, then the land creatures, then He said let there be man. This is exactly the order evolution is said to have evolved scientifically as well.

To be fair, I must point out that whales came after land animals, not before.

That being said, I believe evolution occured up until man was made. This is why, in my opinion, there is the infamous missing link. Because once God decided to make humans, there was no longer a need for evolution. His plan had been completed.

Out of curiosity, what do you think the missing link actually means?

TheSinningServant · May 9, 2019

Kylie said:
To be fair, I must point out that whales came after land animals, not before

They sure did. What's your point? I didn't say every sea creature to have ever existed was created, just sea creatures. That statement just seems irrelevant to me.

And I think the "missing link" in the context I was using it in is the piece of evidence that connects Neanderthals to Homo Sapiens

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

TheSinningServant said:
I believe in evolution 100%. In Genesis 1 it is said God made the sea creatures, then the land creatures, then He said let there be man. This is exactly the order evolution is said to have evolved scientifically as well. That being said, I believe evolution occured up until man was made. This is why, in my opinion, there is the infamous missing link. Because once God decided to make humans, there was no longer a need for evolution. His plan had been completed.

The "missing link" has been found again and again. Not only in the fossil record, but in DNA too. There is no doubt about human evolution.

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

TheSinningServant said:
They sure did. What's your point? I didn't say every sea creature to have ever existed was created, just sea creatures. That statement just seems irrelevant to me.

And I think the "missing link" in the context I was using it in is the piece of evidence that connects Neanderthals to Homo Sapiens

Why would you want that? At any rate Homo heidelbergensis.

TheSinningServant · May 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
The "missing link" has been found again and again. Not only in the fossil record, but in DNA too. There is no doubt about human evolution.

Okay, I never once said I didn't believe in human evolution. I may be out of date as I was not aware the link had been found, nonethless, I believe in evolution, and knowing now the link has been found can only encourage me further theorize about how science and the Genesis coincidence with each other.

Knowing this now, does not change my thoughts on evolution, but does it add to my theory. Thanks for the update!

TheSinningServant · May 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Why would you want that? At any rate Homo heidelbergensis.

Why would I want what?

AV1611VET · May 9, 2019

TheSinningServant said:
I believe in evolution 100%.

Hi, Servant.

Nice to meet you and welcome to CF!

Question: Is Jesus also a great ape?

Jimmy D · May 9, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Hi, Servant.

Nice to meet you and welcome to CF!

Question: Is Jesus also a great ape?

Was Jesus human?

As a Christian, how many of you believe in evolution?

If you are a Christian, (this is a question for Christians only), do you think evolution occurs?

Yes, evolution occurs.

No, evolution does not occur.

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