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If you are a Christian, (this is a question for Christians only), do you think evolution occurs?

  • Yes, evolution occurs.

  • No, evolution does not occur.

  • I'm not sure.


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One of the many reasons I think he's a Poe. A remarkably dedicated one, to be sure.

There are a lot of 'teachings' and ideas pushed by authority figures in a lot of churches that people rarely check out, inlcuding a great many church leaders who are entirely sincere in their own views but haven't really considered ideas outside of their own denomination or group. It takes a lot of time to develop a more grounded understanding of the bible, it's the same as any other area of human activity, with the same issues of fixed paradigms and groupthink etc.
 
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What have ancient foot prints, genuine or not, got to do with the "divine"?
 
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What have ancient foot prints, genuine or not, got to do with the "divine"?
Because the only truth about the origin of the universe is that it was divinely created and not through evolution.
 
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Because the only truth about the origin of the universe is that it was divinely created and not through evolution.

The ToE has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.

Your post is severly confused.
 
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Because the only truth about the origin of the universe is that it was divinely created and not through evolution.

Why are ancient foot prints evidence for divine creation though?

Besides, I'm sure that you don't accept the dating of the strata these footprints were "discovered" in anyway do you?
 
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A penguin is not a self-replicating robot.

why not?

A robot made by design is not an "instant creation." The creation of a robot requires a process: concept, design and manufacture. Robots do not just pop into existence from nothing fully formed.

sure it take some time but not millions of years. and this is why i call it "instant creation".
 
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i actually refer to design in general (the question if designer exist or not). without any connection to what the bible says. do you think that the design scenario can be back up by scientific evidence?
 
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Because a robot is a man-made automaton.



sure it take some time but not millions of years. and this is why i call it "instant creation".
So these species which you claim popped into existence from nothing took some time to form?
 
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lets check your possibilities. say that the first car appeared about 50 million years ago as a "car fossil" in a world where cars were self replicating (like a living thing). what do you think is the best scenario in that case: that car just evolved from other kinds of vehicles or that car was created by a designer?
 
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no. they are different from apes. they can talk for instance. apes cant.
Let me correct you a little: other modern apes can't talk. But we are not descended from any of these modern apes so it doesn't matter. We are just different in various ways from these other modern apes. So what? They are different from each other as well as from us. How does that show that we all don't have a common ancestor?
 
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It would depend on whether there was a sequence of earlier fossils gradually becoming more car-like.
...by a designer?
Leave off that "by a designer." It makes your entire argument dishonest by intentionally obscuring the possibility that the whole process of evolution is the product of a designer, not just its individual products, and that consequently evolution rules out a designer.
 
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Because a robot is a man-made automaton.

so if something that looks like a robot is made by a natural process- we cant call it a robot?

So these species which you claim popped into existence from nothing took some time to form?

maybe. but not millions of years.
 
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i actually refer to design in general (the question if designer exist or not). without any connection to what the bible says. do you think that the design scenario can be back up by scientific evidence?

I don’t see how, even a complete knowledge of how the whole physical universe works wouldn’t prove whether or not it initially came about through God’s command. I think the whole question is an attempt to bring it all down to our level, as if God designed the universe like one of us might make something in the garden shed. If God does simply bring things into existence that is just something that is beyond what we can reduce down to a process we can describe. Knowing how it works just tells you how it works.
 
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so if something that looks like a robot is made by a natural process- we cant call it a robot?
You can call it whatever you want, but "looks like" is not much of a basis for it.



maybe. but not millions of years.
Why not?
 
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so take a look at these images. the first is a spinning motor and the second is a gear:







(images from Figure 1 The Bacterial Flagellum and This Insect Has The Only Mechanical Gears Ever Found in Nature | Science | Smithsonian)

dont you think that a spinning motor is evidence for design and not for a natural process?
 
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On what basis though? You could only determine that it was designed if you could actually prove that it was the impossible for it to have evolved. To do that you would need a complete understanding of evolutionary processes and how to falsify them in this instance. What it looks like isn’t proof.
 
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