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If you are a Christian, (this is a question for Christians only), do you think evolution occurs?

  • Yes, evolution occurs.

  • No, evolution does not occur.

  • I'm not sure.


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Micro Evolution - Yes, in the form of genetic parameters designed by God for adaptation and survival.

Macro Evolution - No, the biggest orchestrated hoax ever pulled on mankind. Universal descent from a common ancestor is only speculation passed off as scientific fact, and there is no evididence of one kind changing into another kind in the fossil record.
 
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They are willingly deceived, accepting scientific speculation above God's word.

Deceived by who? Who determines what is "scientific speculation"?

Who else besides biologists would determine what is valid science regarding biology?
 
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They are willingly deceived, accepting scientific speculation above God's word.
No, only above your interpretation of God's word--so it's not as bad as you think.
 
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Deceived by who?
They are deceived by the establishment that promotes macro evolution above God's word.

Who determines what is "scientific speculation"?
Science determines 'speculation' itself, when it can't back it up with evidence.

Who else besides biologists would determine what is valid science regarding biology?
Valid science is determined by valid scientists... with evidence, not speculation.
 
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They are deceived by the establishment that promotes macro evolution above God's word.

But who is this "establishment"?

Science determines 'speculation' itself, when it can't back it up with evidence.

Science is not a person. Again, who is determining what is speculation and what isn't?

Valid science is determined by valid scientists... with evidence, not speculation.

And who determines who are the valid scientists? Who determines what is evidence and what is speculation?
 
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Oh, come on... are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. You're making the claims here, I'm asking you to explain who or what you are referring to.

So again, who is this "establishment" which is deceiving scientists?

Anyone who looks close enough to see whether there is evidence or not.

Okay. So why would biologists not be in the best position to determine what is valid with respect to biology? After all, they are the individuals that are the trained professionals in that field.

Why would you not accept their findings with respect to biology?

It's 'what' determines valid scientists... proof, not speculation.

Proof is for math, not science.

Going back to the question: who determines who is a valid scientists or not? What is the criteria for making that determination?
 
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The question is... do you?

Answering a question with a question isn't an answer.

But yes, I do know. The question is... do you?

For example, if you had to define the difference between a theorem and a theory, could you do it (without cheating by looking up the answer on Google)?

(And you're still avoiding my other questions.)
 
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The question is... do you?
"Proof" is a discourse carried out in an axiomatic formal system leading to a conclusion. It is a deductive discourse, as contrasted to the inductive discourse of science. There is no proof in science.

However, "proof" is sometimes used in layman's speech to describe the evidence which confirms an assertion. If that's what you mean, then say so. But keep in mind that confirming evidence does not prove an assertion "conclusively" as it does in deductive discourse.
 
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Answering a question with a question isn't an answer.
But yes, I do know. The question is... do you?
Must be contagious.

For example, if you had to define the difference between a theorem and a theory, could you do it (without cheating by looking up the answer on Google)?
Now, what does that have to do with comparing speculation (in your words: "Proof is for math, not science.) to God's word?
 
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"Proof" is a discourse carried out in an axiomatic formal system leading to a conclusion. It is a deductive discourse, as contrasted to the inductive discourse of science.
In other words, science is based on faith too.
 
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