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Your straw man version of "macro evolution" is not supported by the bible or science.
Not even on topic...There are no scientifically valid theories for origination. In fact, science tells us that the origination of anything from nothing is impossible. Either you believe through faith that God has done the impossible, or you believe in something which is nonsense at its core. Evolution proponents contend that their theory begins on the second rung of the ladder; that the first doesn't matter. That's how they justify it to themselves.
"is not supported by the bible
... or science" - at least you admit this
You dismiss the bible as a source ... that's fine
I won't argue this further as it is futile. It will not change either of our views.
I suppose you DO realize, that classical physics is how they have gotten to where they are now? Cause and effect is basic, for approaching the place of questioning where cause and effect may not apply?
Theories and facts are two different things.
Theories explain facts.
Facts support theories.
Theories never become facts.
correct facts support theories but sooner or later a theory will either become fact or it will prove false. just like the big bang theory was thought to be true but instead was proved wrong.
Facts, are data. Theories are the explanations of said data. They explain why the data is what it is and not what it isn't.
only half true. theories are data too. theories become facts when enough evidence is shown to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the theory is true. as I said before when there are not enough facts to support the theory then the theory is casted away for another explaination. that is the way of science.
You can believe whatever you want, off course.
yep that is what each person is supposed to do. hopefully they make informed decisions and ones due to ignorance or peer pressure.
Yes. Some 4.5 billion years.
good answer. whether it is true or not is just a theory. facts support your answer but not enough facts to make theory become fact.
Your bible is not a history book.
your right the bible is not just a history book. the bible is a book on salvation. the bible has history recorded in it as well as mathematics, health, healing, prophesy, and many other subjects but that does not mean it is false. actually many atheists have found to their dismay or joy that when they tried proving the bible false that what they proved was actually that the bible is true. the same can be found out about many of the concepts within the bible. science has put them to the test to see if they are true and have found that yes they are true.
Please provide the verifiable mechanism whereby silicates can be transformed into thousands of different specific biologically important organic molecules and then animated all at once.to prove that this is indeed impossible.
There are no scientifically valid theories for origination. In fact, science tells us that the origination of anything from nothing is impossible.
Nice false dichotomy coupled with some well poisoning of some sort.Either you believe through faith that God has done the impossible, or you believe in something which is nonsense at its core.
Lego.Evolution proponents contend that their theory begins on the second rung of the ladder; that the first doesn't matter. That's how they justify it to themselves.
Real scientists know the auto- origination of anything is an impossibility.Justify what to themselves? They're trying to figure out abiogenesis as best they can, though we all know they haven't done it yet.
Does it?
When did scientists ever get their hands on a "nothing" that they could study, to see if anything comes from it?
It seems to me that in order to conclude that nothing can come from "nothing", you'ld have to have a "nothing" to study.
Alternatively, you could just say "we don't know" instead of coming up with obviously false dichotomies.
Turns out it takes more then the simplifications and absolutes taught to seventh graders to understand the details of the big bang theory and the scientific hypotheses about the beginning of time.Perhaps we should throw out the laws of thermodynamics because they are inconvenient.
The third law tells us that in the absence of anything ; absolute zero; there is no activity. It also tells us that matter cannot created. Thus, something cannot arise from nothing.
Unless of course you want to reject the laws of physics.
If we passed 7th grade science we do know.
We can pretend that the absolutes in science are not absolutes, but that is simply pretending. We can pretend that there is no evidence for the supernatural, but that is quite simply a rejection of reality. Reality includes both the natural and the supernatural. Ignoring either represents a distortion of reality.
Yet they use the absolutes to arrive at the new hypotheses.Turns out it takes more then the simplifications and absolutes taught to seventh graders to understand the details of the big bang theory and the scientific hypotheses about the beginning of time.
I wasn't trying to imply that absolutes are automatically wrong, merely pointing out that the version of physics we teach to children isn't the be-all and end-all of science.Yet they use the absolutes to arrive at the new hypotheses.
According to some (I don't call them scientists) science has mathematically brought us to the realm where cause and effect no long applies. Yet cause and effect is how they got to that realm.
but evolutionists do it too. so?
if so why you said that it cant happen if evolution is true? ("such a thing can't happen if evolution is accurate").
Macro evolution - not after their kind ... we do not see, ie cats and dogs don't cross breed etc.
Note: Biblically micro evolution is supported and accepted, macro evolution is not.
Perhaps we should throw out the laws of thermodynamics because they are inconvenient.
The third law tells us that in the absence of anything ; absolute zero; there is no activity. It also tells us that matter cannot created. Thus, something cannot arise from nothing.
Unless of course you want to reject the laws of physics.
If we passed 7th grade science we do know.
We can pretend that the absolutes in science are not absolutes, but that is simply pretending. We can pretend that there is no evidence for the supernatural, but that is quite simply a rejection of reality. Reality includes both the natural and the supernatural. Ignoring either represents a distortion of reality.
correct facts support theories but sooner or later a theory will either become fact or it will prove false.
just like the big bang theory was thought to be true but instead was proved wrong
only half true. theories are data too.
theories become facts when enough evidence is shown to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the theory is true.
as I said before when there are not enough facts to support the theory then the theory is casted away for another explaination. that is the way of science.
good answer. whether it is true or not is just a theory. facts support your answer but not enough facts to make theory become fact
your right the bible is not just a history book. the bible is a book on salvation. the bible has history recorded in it as well as mathematics, health, healing, prophesy, and many other subjects but that does not mean it is false. actually many atheists have found to their dismay or joy that when they tried proving the bible false that what they proved was actually that the bible is true.
the same can be found out about many of the concepts within the bible. science has put them to the test to see if they are true and have found that yes they are true.
It's trivial. And it says absolutely nothing about whether or not that god, or demon, or rock, or ice-cream cone actually exist.
My position is God is real and can be known. Your position is He is akin to your fictitious creature. Where should we go from here?
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Not really. "The big bang" happened on day four when the singularity called "light" instantly became the sun, moon and stars. As a Christian, which is the basis of this thread, I do not reject the word of God and the actual confirmation on a stone tablet by God Himself that in six days He created the universe and all living things within it. Evolution is contrary to the word of God, which makes it by definition false.Turns out it takes more then the simplifications and absolutes taught to seventh graders to understand the details of the big bang theory and the scientific hypotheses about the beginning of time.
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