Article: what is wrong the substitutionary theory of atonement.

[StormyOne]

whatever AT, now you are speaking for the entire christian world....arrogant and clueless are words that come to mind.... while you may not be adventist AT you exhibit the same closeminded, judgmental, and mean-spirited attitude that many sda's exhibit.... you seem to think if people don't hold the same beliefs you do, they are not christian... so whatever....

 

[Adventtruth]

whatever AT, now you are speaking for the entire christian world....arrogant and clueless are words that come to mind.... while you may not be adventist AT you exhibit the same closeminded, judgmental, and mean-spirited attitude that many sda's exhibit.... you seem to think if people don't hold the same beliefs you do, they are not christian... so whatever....

The christian world stormy believes that Christ died for their sins, and are saved by trusting Him alone.


AT

 

[StormyOne]

The christian world stormy believes that Christ died for their sins, and are saved by trusting Him alone.


AT

thanks for sharing AT, didn't know you spoke for the entire christian world.... oh that's right you don't....... have a good day....

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Isn't it fun to have such vitriol back on the forum? Someone coming back on here and telling people they don't worship God, and that some members here are not part of the Christian world.

 

[StormyOne]

Isn't it fun to have such vitriol back on the forum? Someone coming back on here and telling people they don't worship God, and that some members here are not part of the Christian world.

yep.... and their only claim to fame is that they are not adventist.... they may not be, but the attitudes are similar... interesting indeed...

 

[Adventtruth]

thanks for sharing AT, didn't know you spoke for the entire christian world.... oh that's right you don't....... have a good day....

No problem....and I never said I spoke for the christain world, that was your own idea, I just made a statement, but the bible does speak for the christian world.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

Isn't it fun to have such vitriol back on the forum? Someone coming back on here and telling people they don't worship God, and that some members here are not part of the Christian world.

Attack as you wish.

And what do you mean back? I never went away.

AT

 

[Adventtruth]

yep.... and their only claim to fame is that they are not adventist.... they may not be, but the attitudes are similar... interesting indeed...

And what attitude do you have?


AT

 

[StormyOne]

Attack as you wish.

And what do you mean back? I never went away.

AT

the attack is suggesting that people are not part of the christian world because they don't share your views...which is what you have consistently done.... so you are attacking as you wish....

 

[StormyOne]

And what attitude do you have?


AT

one that will remind you how wrong you are everytime you post your foolishness.....

 

[StormyOne]

No problem....and I never said I spoke for the christain world, that was your own idea, I just made a statement, but the bible does speak for the christian world.

AT

the bible has no voice... so it speaks for no one... people interpret the bible and believe that their interpretation is the correct one.... like what you are doing.....

 

[Adventtruth]

the attack is suggesting that people are not part of the christian world because they don't share your views...which is what you have consistently done.... so you are attacking as you wish....

Its the core of christianity you no longer believe stormy. I have no problem with those of the many different denominations where the core doctrine of Christ is uplifted...you deny this. How does one call themselves a christain if they believe not the source... faith in what the bible says about Christ, dismissing it as not of God, but believe what they make up on their own over the written bible composed over years? According to your views...faith in Christ means nothing.

AT

 

[Byfaithalone1]

AT, this seems rather extreme. Although my interaction with Stormy and Senti has hardly been a love fest , I have not concluded that Stormy and Senti worship a different God.

Can I offer an example to illustrate my point?

I was an SDA for 30+ years. During that time, my belief system was quite different than it is now. I believed that I must reach a state of sinless perfection in order to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator. I believed that the mark of the beast and the seal of God were applied to man according to his sabbath keeping. Through the ministry of the Spirit, I now have a broader perspective of the grace of Jesus Christ. However, I would not say that I previously believed a different God and that I now believe a new and improved God. Rather, I simply say that I previously misunderstood who God is (and that I still misunderstand many aspects of God). I acknowledge that I've always had much to learn, that I still have much to learn and that the Spirit reveals Himself in His timing.

AT, you and I would likely agree that some of the positions taken by Stormy and Senti would not be endorsed by a number of different Christian groups. We would likely agree that some of the statements made in this forum regarding Christ's atonement run contrary to our understanding of the gospel. And yet I also notice that I have been worshipping God for decades, even when I misunderstood him. Why wouldn't I conclude that the same may also be true for Stormy and Senti?

We all misunderstand. There is no one righteous. There is no one who understands. Although my understanding of the Scriptures is currently quite similar to yours, I don't believe that I have it all figured out. I know that there is still much to learn and that my relationship with God does not hinge upon the results of a theology exam.

With all of that said, I'm still pretty new around here, and there may be something going on here that I haven't seen or something that I have misread. Feel free to clarify.

Just my opinion,
BFA

 

[Adventtruth]

the bible has no voice... so it speaks for no one...

So it does not even speak for God? Even the bible disagrees with you.

(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

people interpret the bible and believe that their interpretation is the correct one.... like what you are doing.....

As before the bible disagrees with you.

(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.




AT

 

[StormyOne]

So it does not even speak for God? Even the bible disagrees with you.

(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.





As before the bible disagrees with you.

(2Pe 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.




AT

quoting from Peter... who was written by whom? It wasn't Peter.... again more proof that you believe you are correct... you aren't... but continue in your delusion, it makes for interesting reading...

 

[StormyOne]

Its the core of christianity you no longer believe stormy. I have no problem with those of the many different denominations where the core doctrine of Christ is uplifted...you deny this. How does one call themselves a christain if they believe not the source... faith in what the bible says about Christ, dismissing it as not of God, but believe what they make up on their own over the written bible composed over years? According to your views...faith in Christ means nothing.

AT

more arrogance... more judging.... you sure you aren't a traditional adventist cause you sure sound like one....

 

[Adventtruth]

quoting from Peter... who was written by whom? It wasn't Peter.... again more proof that you believe you are correct... you aren't... but continue in your delusion, it makes for interesting reading...

Thanks for proving my point.


AT

 

[Adventtruth]

more arrogance... more judging.... you sure you aren't a traditional adventist cause you sure sound like one....

....and I won't tell you what you sound like.

AT

 

[StormyOne]

I won't tell you what you sound like.

AT

whatever.... if it makes you feel better about yourself.... good.... you are tiresome...

 

[StormyOne]

Thanks for proving my point.


AT

Truth should not frighten one whose faith is firm. As the Israeli Orthodox rabbi and scholar Mordecai Breuer writes: "Unable to withstand the contradiction (between faith and modern biblical scholarship) most men of faith consciously avoid biblical scholarship in order to safeguard their traditional belief." Those who hold that people should never explore such questions have very circumscribed notions of why God gave us brains. The Talmud ringingly declares: "God's seal is truth" (Shabbat 55a).