Arrogant?

[SoldierOfSoul]

He was the greatest man born from women and he prepared the Lord for his sacrifice. I mean heck John the Baptist even testified to the Lord taking away the sin of the world the very next day he was baptized.

He also doubted that Jesus was the Messiah while in prison.

So in my belief to be born of water and the spirit means to believe the lord atone for your sin (took all sin via baptism, bled all sin away, ressurected) then be born a second time. Not the typical view of 'oh i have to be baptized!'

Baptism represents our resurrection from the dead, we are dead because of sin and the death of Jesus atoned for these sins and the Lord's resurrection raises us to new life and we are able to take on the new man by faith(represented by going under the water and raising again to new life). You are putting way too much emphasis on John the Baptist and the Lords baptism. God did not need man to help Him in providing atonement, He did it all Himself. Even the application of sin to Jesus on the Cross by the Father.

 

[razeontherock]

do I think it IS arrogant? no.
do I think you will be PERCEIVED as arrogant? um, possibly alot.
I think you'll have to be explicitly clear when you say it.

Like this?

YouTube - WHAT SIN

 

[Isolation]

He also doubted that Jesus was the Messiah while in prison.



Baptism represents our resurrection from the dead, we are dead because of sin and the death of Jesus atoned for these sins and the Lord's resurrection raises us to new life and we are able to take on the new man by faith(represented by going under the water and raising again to new life). You are putting way too much emphasis on John the Baptist and the Lords baptism. God did not need man to help Him in providing atonement, He did it all Himself. Even the application of sin to Jesus on the Cross by the Father.

Was Johns baptism from men or from heaven?

 

[Yab Yum]

But I am saying that regardless if he does sin, he still has no sin.

Simul justus et peccator is totally meaningless to me. You either are a banana or you aren't you can't both be a banana and not a banana.

 

[cubinity]

Simul justus et peccator is totally meaningless to me. You either are a banana or you aren't you can't both be a banana and not a banana.

Can you be banana yogurt? I like banana yogurt.

 

[IreneAdler]

eew, fake banana flavor is gross

 

[CryptoLutheran]

Simul justus et peccator is totally meaningless to me. You either are a banana or you aren't you can't both be a banana and not a banana.

Sort of like how Jesus can't be both human and divine eh?

A double proposition such as saying that we are both sinners and saints may be a paradox, the idea may or may not jive with our ability to reason. I don't think that's a good of reason to dismiss it. However if both propositions are, in fact, true, then well they're true.

I'm a sinner.
I'm a saint.

I'm a sinner through what I've done and continue to do.
I'm a saint because I'm baptized and alive in Christ.

I'm both a banana and grapefruit. Sweet and bitter at the same time. The sweetness is from Christ, the bitterness from my flesh.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yab Yum]

Sort of like how Jesus can't be both human and divine eh?

Jesus wasn't a sinner. He was indeed human and divine, but he was God, He can do those sorts of things. Hence even though He was both a banana and a grapefruit, we are not both bananas and grapefruits, we are bananas who have new hearts:

Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Replaced, not mixed.

 

[andross77]

Sort of like how Jesus can't be both human and divine eh?

A double proposition such as saying that we are both sinners and saints may be a paradox, the idea may or may not jive with our ability to reason. I don't think that's a good of reason to dismiss it. However if both propositions are, in fact, true, then well they're true.

I'm a sinner.
I'm a saint.

I'm a sinner through what I've done and continue to do.
I'm a saint because I'm baptized and alive in Christ.

I'm both a banana and grapefruit. Sweet and bitter at the same time. The sweetness is from Christ, the bitterness from my flesh.

-CryptoLutheran

very good post. thanks Crypto!

 

[Yab Yum]

The only thing worse than eating banana together with grapefruit is a mixed metaphor.

 

[IreneAdler]

Oh, no, brushing your teeth and eating grapefruit is worse

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Simul justus et peccator is totally meaningless to me. You either are a banana or you aren't you can't both be a banana and not a banana.

eew, fake banana flavor is gross

The only thing worse than eating banana together with grapefruit is a mixed metaphor.

Or confusing an ear of corn with a banana

Which brings to mind this rather funny movie

YouTube - FOOLIN' AROUND - Wesley experiments - Gary Busey - Annette O' Toole 1980

 

[Isolation]

Bananas are grosse

 

[Isolation]

No only when they are underripe.. I mean come on I don't mind the bruises, I do mind it tasting like chalk

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No only when they are underripe.. I mean come on I don't mind the bruises, I do mind it tasting like chalk

Wat da heck kinda bananas dost thou eat

YouTube - Bananarama - Cruel Summer [Music Video]

 

[IreneAdler]

That's a flash back to 4th grade...

 

[cubinity]

I feel at least partially responsible for this banana tangent, and for that I am arrogantly proud. Lol.

 

[Tangible]

Banana Tangent would be a great name for a band.

 

[Rick Otto]

No only when they are underripe.. I mean come on I don't mind the bruises, I do mind it tasting like chalk

You don't like the taste of banans but you were willing to taste chalk?
Did you try different colors?

 

[Isolation]

You don't like the taste of banans but you were willing to taste chalk?
Did you try different colors?

Sorry my english is bad