Arminian denominations...

[Sunbeam]

Alot of pentocostal..Assembly of God but not always, Nazarenes, Church of Christ, Catholic, East Orthodox,..apostolic pentocostal

Has anyone ever had a problem with arminianism in their church. Have they been too strict where you went to another church or even became calvinistic. Did you grow up in such a church that was too strict?

I've heard stories about apostolic pentocostals and nazarenes as being too strict. I think the demoncasting out church I had attended once several years ago was too strict.

Does anyone want to share experiences or thoughts or warnings or things that were helpful to them?

 

[Bayhawks83]

heres a warning: stay away from the 'church of christ' and oneness pentecostals

 

[Serapha]

Alot of pentocostal..Assembly of God but not always, Nazarenes, Church of Christ, Catholic, East Orthodox,..apostolic pentocostal

Has anyone ever had a problem with arminianism in their church. Have they been too strict where you went to another church or even became calvinistic. Did you grow up in such a church that was too strict?

I've heard stories about apostolic pentocostals and nazarenes as being too strict. I think the demoncasting out church I had attended once several years ago was too strict.

Does anyone want to share experiences or thoughts or warnings or things that were helpful to them?

Hi there!



Perhaps you need to define "strict" by your terms. Everyone's opinoin of "strict" will differ based upon their experiences and knowledge.


Churches that believe in casting out demons aren't necessarily "strict", but biblical. Satan is alive and well, after all. You have a choice in how "stict" you want your Christian walk to be. For example, I am not banned from drinking alcohol by God, but I chose not to drink. I would not want my practices to be a negative influence or stumbling block to another person; therefore, it is my choice not to put alcohol into the Lord's temple (my body)


Churches to avoid are not those with "strict" teachings, but instead, avoid those with false teachings.

There is a reference to "oneness pentacostalism" in a previous posting... that is because of their beliefs against God being trinitarian--a false teaching in mainstream Christianity.

Questions?

~malaka~

 

[rnmomof7]

heres a warning: stay away from the 'church of christ' and oneness pentecostals

I agree, the oneness Pentecostal is a cult and the CofC is a restoration church that believes Baptism saves..

It is important to understand the doctrine before going

 

[Lotar]

Also I think the EOs and RCs would object to being called Arminian.

I agree with staying away from the two mentioned.

 

[Sunbeam]

heres a warning: stay away from the 'church of christ' and oneness pentecostals

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Why? Personally, I wouldn't go to Church of Christ for the reason that they believe that the gifts have all ceased. ON the other hand though, oneness pentocostals are into alot of demoncasting out, slayings in the spirit, group tongues and this is all unbiblical in my opinion. Demoncasting out is for the insane, not the neurotic, and it can be for the sick but that is under healing, anyone who was laid out in the bible was a bad thing and I don't believe in slayings in the spirit and group tongues is insane and it looks insane as the bible attests to. Private tongues is optional. Some arminian pentocostals want you to think that everyone needs to speak in tongues. That is not true. If you don't understand the purpose, then don't do it. Too many tonuges people are speaking in tongues and blanking out their mind completely without speaking in English as well or staying conscious and aware and that is dangerous. These people are also too strict too. Because some armianism tied to pentocostalism can do that. They will say that you need to speak in tonuges, you need to have demons cast out and you ought to fall back when the preacher prays over you, just let go. And if you don't, then you aren't worthy to them. So, they want you to fake it and play along if you aren't fainting. I do not appreciate one bit these lies.

 

[Sunbeam]

Churches that believe in casting out demons aren't necessarily "strict", but biblical. Satan is alive and well, after all. You have a choice in how "stict" you want your Christian walk to be. For example, I am not banned from drinking alcohol by God, but I chose not to drink. I would not want my practices to be a negative influence or stumbling block to another person; therefore, it is my choice not to put alcohol into the Lord's temple (my body)


Churches to avoid are not those with "strict" teachings, but instead, avoid those with false teachings.

There is a reference to "oneness pentacostalism" in a previous posting... that is because of their beliefs against God being trinitarian--a false teaching in mainstream Christianity.

Questions?
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I don't believe easy and frequent demon casting out is biblical at all.

I agree with what you said about avoiding false teachings and not the strict teachings.

I do not have a problem with the oneness concept though. They still believe God is three but one as well. I do not understand what the big deal is. They have not denied the Father Son or Holy Spirit in any of their teachings. I do not like their handling of the gift issues though.

 

[Sunbeam]

I agree, the oneness Pentecostal is a cult and the CofC is a restoration church that believes Baptism saves..

It is important to understand the doctrine before going

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It is very important to understand doctrine before going in or if you go in try to be pretty good with questions and not be pulled into personalities.

I do not appreciate the way alot of pentocostals handle gift issues or using alot of hype or emotion. That is not neccessary and it is human will and not natural gifting from God.

 

[Sunbeam]

Also I think the EOs and RCs would object to being called Arminian.

I agree with staying away from the two mentioned.

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Yes, perhaps some would, because Arminus was out of the Protestant church. However, arminian broadly defined usually means faith plus works salvation, however, those five points have alot alot more to them. Catholic and E Orthodox also believe in works with faith however. Catholic history makes me sick and the role of Mary is abominable, as also is the thinking that the wafers in communion are God's blood, divinity, soul, etc. And I do not like seeing crucified Jesus art hanging on the walls in the Mass as I would be upset to see anyone under any kind of torture device. Jesus is in glory now and while I have never met Jesus in a vision anything I know He is in glory. Priests do not have the power to recreate the suffering of Christ and the what is that word...? Oh it is so late here... That is abominable though. Mary wasn't born without sin and she wasn't ever virginal. I do not pray to her. She did not die on the cross for us, or give us teachings to live by. She was just a woman who was a vessel to birth Jesus. We do not know much about her or even if she is in heaven now or will be later whatever.

 

[Sunbeam]

Well last night, here in east coast usa, I was waiting for a plane to come in and I rambled off the specific subject of arminianism in the churches.

I do not judge the salvation of any denominational or nondenominational or Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, JW, 7th Day, or unchurched Christians etc. I agree or disagree with church doctrines. That is a different thing than judging others salvation and heart which is up to God to do. I want to make that clear.

 

[Lotar]

Also I think the EOs and RCs would object to being called Arminian.

I agree with staying away from the two mentioned.

__________________

Yes, perhaps some would, because Arminus was out of the Protestant church. However, arminian broadly defined usually means faith plus works salvation, however, those five points have alot alot more to them. Catholic and E Orthodox also believe in works with faith however. Catholic history makes me sick and the role of Mary is abominable, as also is the thinking that the wafers in communion are God's blood, divinity, soul, etc. And I do not like seeing crucified Jesus art hanging on the walls in the Mass as I would be upset to see anyone under any kind of torture device. Jesus is in glory now and while I have never met Jesus in a vision anything I know He is in glory. Priests do not have the power to recreate the suffering of Christ and the what is that word...? Oh it is so late here... That is abominable though. Mary wasn't born without sin and she wasn't ever virginal. I do not pray to her. She did not die on the cross for us, or give us teachings to live by. She was just a woman who was a vessel to birth Jesus. We do not know much about her or even if she is in heaven now or will be later whatever.

Arminian does not mean faith and works equal salvation. It means that we choose to follow Christ and that we can choose to reject Him.

RC and EO doctrine isn't very close to Arminian. In fact EO and RC understanding of salvation is very different from eachother.

There are 5 different veiws on salvation, Calvinist, Arminian, Lutheran, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox.

 

[Lotar]

Well last night, here in east coast usa, I was waiting for a plane to come in and I rambled off the specific subject of arminianism in the churches.

I do not judge the salvation of any denominational or nondenominational or Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, JW, 7th Day, or unchurched Christians etc. I agree or disagree with church doctrines. That is a different thing than judging others salvation and heart which is up to God to do. I want to make that clear.

Mormons aren't Christian.

 

[Lanakila]

*Mod Hat On* Thread closed.

 

[Oblio]

Lotar,

You have defended Orthodoxy at least twice in this thread May God be with you and keep you

I would give you some + reps but the system won't let me

 

[Lotar]

Well, maybe after 24hrs you'll remember me I'm almost to 100

Don't you hate it how people want to group everyone in as either Calvinist or Arminian? And usually only vaugely understand the version then follow, and have a completely warped view of the other