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Arizona recount uncovers several ballot-counting errors in Pinal County Officials blame ‘human error’ for a discrepancy of 507 votes in the county’s n

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Yes, for one county. Now they need to check the other counties.
You don’t think that they’re already doing that?
How incompetent do you think these people are?
 
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You don’t think that they’re already doing that?
How incompetent do you think these people are?
Incompetent vs deliberately falsifying a voter count are two separate things. They are competent, they just got found out and decided to blame it on "human error"
 
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Incompetent vs deliberately falsifying a voter count are two separate things. They are competent, they just got found out and decided to blame it on "human error"
They covered it up. It might also have made a difference in Kari Lake's lawsuit.
 
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Incompetent vs deliberately falsifying a voter count are two separate things. They are competent, they just got found out and decided to blame it on "human error"
You understand that people from both Parties form the safety-net for elections…are you implying that Republicans are too stupid and incompetent to stop possible fraud?
 
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Yes, for one county. Now they need to check the other counties.

Pinal County has only itself to blame...as noted by former Maricopa County Elections Director [and newly elected Sectary of Sate] Adrian Fontes:

“The folks down in Pinal County, particularly the board of supervisors and their election director, back a year ago, did not staff up. They did not fund up. They did not train and prepare for what they knew was going to happen,” Fontes said.

The recount discrepancy wasn’t Pinal County’s only election-related problem this year.

In June, county officials had to scramble after tens of thousands of voters were sent early mail ballots that were missing some races. Then there were ballot shortages at multiple polling sites during the August primary election, leading to the resignation of David Frisk as elections director."



Pinal County Voters need to hold the Board of Supervisors accountable....

 
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You understand that people from both Parties form the safety-net for elections…are you implying that Republicans are too stupid and incompetent to stop possible fraud?
If someone commits a crime and steals from a store would you then blame the store owner for being too stupid to stop the theft? I sure hope you wouldn't.
 
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If someone commits a crime and steals from a store would you then blame the store owner for being too stupid to stop the theft? I sure hope you wouldn't.
Depends on what the owner could have reasonably anticipated and what precautions were taken. It's not unheard of for victims of theft to be held liable for the damages resulting from that theft. The most notable example coming to mind are data breaches at firms that handle credit card transactions (e.g. stores, banks) - the thieves are the ones ultimately at fault, but the retailers and financial institutions have a duty to safeguard that information and are on the hook for damages when it's leaked. I think there are (or perhaps will be in the future) similar rules regarding the storage of firearms wherein failing to properly secure a weapon can expose the owner to liability if it's stolen.
 
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Depends on what the owner could have reasonably anticipated and what precautions were taken. It's not unheard of for victims of theft to be held liable for the damages resulting from that theft. The most notable example coming to mind are data breaches at firms that handle credit card transactions (e.g. stores, banks) - the thieves are the ones ultimately at fault, but the retailers and financial institutions have a duty to safeguard that information and are on the hook for damages when it's leaked. I think there are (or perhaps will be in the future) similar rules regarding the storage of firearms wherein failing to properly secure a weapon can expose the owner to liability if it's stolen.
The main message is that the criminal who committed the crime is ultimately responsible. Much like you don't blame victims of other crimes i won't mention for being attacked, you just don't blame victims for crimes in general. period.
 
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Yes, for one county. Now they need to check the other counties.
The recount was statewide, due to the closeness of the statewide AG race. The other counties have been checked and only small variances were found, although Apache and La Paz counties had similar rates of additional ballots.

"ballot-counting errors in Pinal County were largely responsible for the shift"
 
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Yes, for one county. Now they need to check the other counties.
I might suggest re-reading the first paragraph of the article that you posted.
 
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The recount was statewide, due to the closeness of the statewide AG race. The other counties have been checked and only small variances were found, although Apache and La Paz counties had similar rates of additional ballots.

"ballot-counting errors in Pinal County were largely responsible for the shift"

...and as the Op's linked article notes:

The discrepancies in all other Arizona counties, as a percentage of their total votes, were nearly zero percent. Maricopa County, with its 1.5 million votes cast in the race, found a discrepancy of five votes for each candidate, for a net change of zero in the margin.

 
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The main message is that the criminal who committed the crime is ultimately responsible. Much like you don't blame victims of other crimes i won't mention for being attacked, you just don't blame victims for crimes in general. period.
Actually, the main message is that you refuse to accept the explanation that Pinal County officials were incompetent and did a poor job planning for the election and, rather, would prefer to assign nefarious motives to those who failed based on nothing more than your own blind speculation. Instead of holding responsible the people who failed, you're deflecting the blame onto some unnamed phantasm.

I'd add that Pinal County voters lean heavily Republican and Republicans control the Board of Supervisors.
 
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Actually, the main message is that you refuse to accept the explanation that Pinal County officials were incompetent and did a poor job planning for the election and, rather, would prefer to assign nefarious motives to those who failed based on nothing more than your own blind speculation. Instead of holding responsible the people who failed, you're deflecting the blame onto some unnamed phantasm.

I'd add that Pinal County voters lean heavily Republican and Republicans control the Board of Supervisors.
I believe all of them are Republican. They are in charge of the elections in Pinal county. There were only 2 full time employees of Elections Department in 2022. There are only about 430,000 people in the county. Seems the BoS needs to pay more attention to their elections.
 
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I believe all of them are Republican. They are in charge of the elections in Pinal county. There were only 2 full time employees of Elections Department in 2022. There are only about 430,000 people in the county. Seems the BoS needs to pay more attention to their elections.

Wikipedia led me to believe that they’re all Republican, but when I went to check, the county’s .gov website was down. lol
 
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Wikipedia led me to believe that they’re all Republican, but when I went to check, the county’s .gov website was down. lol
All part of the plan.
 
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