Yes; it's possible to know all things that are knowable. But that's not what you originally said. We can't be sure it's possible to know all things because we don't know that all things are knowable.
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Yes; it's possible to know all things that are knowable. But that's not what you originally said. We can't be sure it's possible to know all things because we don't know that all things are knowable.It's impossible to know if an unknowable thing exists, therefore it's possible to know all things knowable.
Yes; sadly, you seem unable or unwilling to grasp simple logical points. You'll struggle to progress with philosophy unless you can rectify this.I hope you're seeing the problem here.
Yes; it's possible to know all things that are knowable. But that's not what you originally said. We can't be sure it's possible to know all things because we don't know that all things are knowable.
If we can't understand god or his ways, and never will be able to, and there is no direct evidence for him (we must believe on faith), then god is essentially unknowable.
I agree it's not possible to know if an unknowable thing exists, but that has some serious implications that come with it
When I say "it's possible to know all things", I'm referring to things that exist, not things that don't exist.
It is possible to know all things(things being things that exist) because it's impossible to know if a thing does not exist.
You continue to falsely represent what I'm saying and then conclude that I don't know simple logic, when I'm clearly showing you that I am being perfectly logical.
A true Christian will claim to know God and know that He exists. However, they didn't come to know God before they believed and had faith in His existence and His son Jesus Christ who makes it possible to know God.
Sure, but the point I'm making is this: if God exists then it is possible to know Him.
Now you could say that if God does not exist then it is impossible to know Him, but that's not the point I'm making.
If God does not exist then there wouldn't be so much talk about Him. Yes God is talked about more than unicorns or fairies.
If there's an inherently unknowable thing that exists, then your statement is incorrect. You haven't shown that this is not the case.
Because I can't possibly show that an inherently unknowable thing exists. If I could then it would be known. How do you continue to not understand?
I'm not the one that everyone else is saying is illogical, now am I?
Yes, I realize you can't show that an unknowable thing exists. Which means that you can never show that the statement "All things have the possibility to be known" is actually true.
This has already been pointed out to you, but you keep trying to argue that.
So you should stop using that statement, because it's something you can't show to be true.
When it's 3 or 4 atheists against one Christian, the atheist doesn't think to scrutinize what his brother is saying to the level that he's scrutinizing what the Christian is saying.
It's just the nature of humanity, if you think someone has similar views as you, then you're less likely to scrutinize them as closely as you would someone who has differing views, but we must strive to be as objective as possible in order to understand what's actually true.
It is possible because were talking about knowing things that exist. It's possible to know all things that exist. It's impossible to know things that do not exist. We shouldn't even use the word "thing" to describe non-existence. We should use it for things that do exist. This is very clear!
You think your pointing something out, but you're not because you still don't understand what I'm saying. If you'd rather not understand because you're afraid of being wrong then that's fine, but you'll eventually have to deal with that fear.
Why would I stop saying something that is accurate?
Just because I can't demonstrate all things(that exist) being known, does not mean it's impossible to demonstrate all things(that exist) being known.
Or... you're just wrong. Which is the case here. As has been pointed out several times.
You can't show that it's true that "it's possible to know all things that exist", as has been pointed out several times. You even know why, because it's been explained over and over.
Tell you what, if you can show that "it's possible to know all things that exist" is true, I'll send you $500. Seriously.
All you have to do is provide evidence that it's impossible for there to be an unknowable thing.
Have you ever heard of the term "projection". Because that's what you're doing.
You know, throughout this and every other thread you participate in, you're constantly being called out by non-theists (and as I recall theists as well) as having fallacious logic. Do you honestly think we're all incorrect and you're correct?
So do it. Show that your assertion "it's possible to know all things that exist" is true. Prove us all wrong.
Lets say I am wrong and I admit that it is not possible to know all things that exist. How could I possibly know that it's not possible? Where's my proof that it's not possible? I have no proof, what would the proof even consist of? Did I personally experience the impossibility of knowing all things exist? How is that even coherent? Why would you consider what I'm saying to be true?
You see, it doesn't even make sense for me to claim to be wrong in this case.
For the sake of argument, can you run though what it would look like if you admitted you were wrong? Just hypothetically, you don't actually have to admit you are wrong.
I'll add that is is true that it's currently impossible for me to know all things, but that does not mean it's impossible in general for any being in existence.
Fine, I can play along. It's possible to know everything. Let's say it's possible for me to know everything.
All of my moral statements are still subjective, because they're based on a moral framework that is, by nature, subjective.
A true Christian will claim to know God and know that He exists. However, they didn't come to know God before they believed and had faith in His existence and His son Jesus Christ who makes it possible to know God.
Sure, but the point I'm making is this: if God exists then it is possible to know Him.
Now you could say that if God does not exist then it is impossible to know Him, but that's not the point I'm making.
If God does not exist then there wouldn't be so much talk about Him. Yes God is talked about more than unicorns or fairies.
I'll add that is is true that it's currently impossible for me to know all things, but that does not mean it's impossible in general for any being in existence.
It may not be possible for you to know all things right now, but is it possible that any existing being at any time could know all things?
If you think it's not possible, then why do you think that?
I'm not disputing that.
So they believed he exists, then after they started believing they found reasons to believe he exists?
One cannot form a belief unless they have something to accept as true, either a truth claim or other evidence.
Yes, truth claims are evidence because they exist in reality and can be objectively analyzed by anyone, just like any other physical evidence.
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