Argument for God's existence.

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Skreeper said:
You did nothing of the sort. But nothing I can do or say would change your mind.

Just know that you're the kind of person I had to fight every day growing up. But I survived and now I can help others that struggle with being bullied and shamed by people like you simply for being different.

please see my last post, I have been where you are, and there is hope. But repentance is required. Anyway, you are bitter against other people who have mistreated you and none of those people are here. You need to treat everyone as politely as possible, even if they have called you out on sin. I used to be homosexual for about a year, but I repented and got counseling, you can too. It was not hard. But anyway, read that last post.

here is the link where there are dozens of articles about homosexuality as pathology (mental illness)
LGBT Mental Health Bibliography

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Skreeper said:
Thank you for basically saying that being gay is on the same level as lying, or stealing or murdering.

Since we wanna stay consistent I hope you don't mind if I consider you and people with views like yours no different than ISIS?

everyone is welcome to their own oppinions sir, I have not disrespected you or insulted you. I simply stated how your creator views that particular sin. Do you honestly think that homosexuality is beneficial to children growing up in those households? It is not, homosexuality has been proven to increase the risk for aids in adult men, and boys who are raped by homosexual men (as in fathers and relatives). I can post several peer reviews of this. So please don't lecture me.

here are some more citations:

"Men who have sex with men (MSM) are the population most heavily affected by infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) [1]. The rate of a new HIV diagnosis among MSM is more than 40 times that of women and more than 44 times that of other men [2]. In 2010, male-to-male sex remained the largest HIV transmission category in the United States and the only one associated with an increasing number of HIV/ acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) diagnoses [3]. Although MSM represent about 7% of the male population in the United States, they account for 78% of the new HIV infections among males, reinforcing the need for intensive HIV prevention services and testing campaigns [4]."

eHealth Interventions for HIV Prevention in High-Risk Men Who Have Sex With Men: A Systematic Review

But I can't post the study as it gets sexually explicit. But I have read the thoroughly, and it does say that MSM male sex needs to be restricted, and that there currently was no way to stop transmission. Condoms do lessen the transmission, but not enough. "In addition, the use of condoms or other physical barrier devices does not always prevent trauma

during vigorous physical interaction and trauma increases the risk of transmission of infection."

official court documents regarding legality of MSM in belize here is another quote:

"Some Public Health practitioners and agencies have hypothesized that decriminalizing

the practice of anal intercourse among consenting adults would lead to a reduction in the

incidence rate of HIV infections among MSM. To date, published data have not substantiated

this hypothesis."

(note this was a supreme court case in belize)

Skreeper · May 20, 2019

gradyll said:
everyone is welcome to their own oppinions sir, I have not disrespected you or insulted you. I simply stated how your creator views that particular sin. Do you honestly think that homosexuality is beneficial to children growing up in those households? It is not, homosexuality has been proven to increase the risk for aids in adult men, and boys who are raped by homosexual men (as in fathers and relatives). I can post several peer reviews of this. So please don't lecture me.

here are some more citations:

"Men who have sex with men (MSM) are the population most heavily affected by infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) [1]. The rate of a new HIV diagnosis among MSM is more than 40 times that of women and more than 44 times that of other men [2]. In 2010, male-to-male sex remained the largest HIV transmission category in the United States and the only one associated with an increasing number of HIV/ acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) diagnoses [3]. Although MSM represent about 7% of the male population in the United States, they account for 78% of the new HIV infections among males, reinforcing the need for intensive HIV prevention services and testing campaigns [4]."

eHealth Interventions for HIV Prevention in High-Risk Men Who Have Sex With Men: A Systematic Review

But I can't post the study as it gets sexually explicit. But I have read the thoroughly, and it does say that MSM male sex needs to be restricted, and that there currently was no way to stop transmission. Condoms do lessen the transmission, but not enough. "In addition, the use of condoms or other physical barrier devices does not always prevent trauma

during vigorous physical interaction and trauma increases the risk of transmission of infection."

official court documents regarding legality of MSM in belize here is another quote:

"Some Public Health practitioners and agencies have hypothesized that decriminalizing

the practice of anal intercourse among consenting adults would lead to a reduction in the

incidence rate of HIV infections among MSM. To date, published data have not substantiated

this hypothesis."

(note this was a supreme court case in belize)

Our conversation is over. I do enjoy watching you dig your own grave deeper but I also would like to say a few words to you that would get me banned permanently.

You are way out of your league here and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I also highly doubt that you were ever gay, lying for Jesus is too common for you fundagelicals after all.

And because you like to throw studies around I have some of my own, knock yourself out:

Homosexuality and Mental Health

Being Gay Is Just as Healthy as Being Straight

If I ever want to deconvert someone, I'll just show them this thread to easily convince them how religion poisons everything.

Goodbye.

gaara4158 · May 20, 2019

Skreeper said:
Thank you for basically saying that being gay is on the same level as lying, or stealing or murdering.

Since we wanna stay consistent I hope you don't mind if I consider you and people with views like yours no different than ISIS?

I'm so sorry you're being spoken to this way by that user. He's truly showing himself to be some kind of "lawful evil" character on here. My advice to all is to disengage him. He hasn't given an inch in the entire time he's been here and he's been fractally wrong about most of the subjects he brings up. This forum is a worse place when he is given attention.

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Skreeper said:
Our conversation is over. I do enjoy watching you dig your own grave deeper but I also would like to say a few words to you that would get me banned permanently.

You are way out of your league here and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I also highly doubt that you were ever gay, lying for Jesus is too common for you fundagelicals after all.

And because you like to throw studies around I have some of my own, knock yourself out:

Homosexuality and Mental Health

Being Gay Is Just as Healthy as Being Straight

If I ever want to deconvert someone, I'll just show them this thread to easily convince them how religion poisons everything.

Goodbye.

gaara4158 said:
I'm so sorry you're being spoken to this way by that user. He's truly showing himself to be some kind of "lawful evil" character on here. My advice to all is to disengage him. He hasn't given an inch in the entire time he's been here and he's been fractally wrong about most of the subjects he brings up. This forum is a worse place when he is given attention.

You don't believe in the Bible so I would not expect you to think homosexuality is a sin, but I would at least expect rational comments regarding the fact that homosexuals have lower immune systems and are susceptible to AIDS, that is very common knowledge. Did you know they used to call AIDS, GRIDS (gay related immune deficiency syndrome), but because it was a hot topic, and from political pressure they changed it. But AIDS was founded as a disease among homosexual people first. Then they found out you could also get it from needles later.

but here is some links about homosexuals being more susceptible to bacterial meningitis:

Los Angeles meningitis victim declared brain dead, STD threat to gay men seen

Another killer disease striking homosexuals - WND - WND

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Skreeper said:
Our conversation is over. I do enjoy watching you dig your own grave deeper but I also would like to say a few words to you that would get me banned permanently.

You are way out of your league here and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. I also highly doubt that you were ever gay, lying for Jesus is too common for you fundagelicals after all.

And because you like to throw studies around I have some of my own, knock yourself out:

Homosexuality and Mental Health

Being Gay Is Just as Healthy as Being Straight

If I ever want to deconvert someone, I'll just show them this thread to easily convince them how religion poisons everything.

Goodbye.

Just so you know you cant say some of the stuff you said on here. I won't report you because I know the anguish you feel. But Jesus loves you the way you are, it's just that He loves you too much to keep you that way. We all have sins we struggle with. So your not being singled out. It's the gay pride that God doesn't like. It's ok to be wrecked and even addicted to sin as you can call out to God. But don't embrace the sin, never embrace it.

Eight Foot Manchild · May 20, 2019

gradyll said:
that is the bandwagon fallacy.

Stop pretending to care about logical fallacies. You commit at least three of them every time you post.

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Eight Foot Manchild said:
Stop pretending to care about logical fallacies. You commit at least three of them every time you post.

Yes and shifting the blame is always the most mature way to handle things.

ToddNotTodd · May 20, 2019

gaara4158 said:
I'm so sorry you're being spoken to this way by that user. He's truly showing himself to be some kind of "lawful evil" character on here. My advice to all is to disengage him. He hasn't given an inch in the entire time he's been here and he's been fractally wrong about most of the subjects he brings up. This forum is a worse place when he is given attention.

I don’t know, he’s providing a mountain of evidence as to why people should deconvert from Christianity. He may be responsible for so many people switching positions that abortion clinics may start being named for him.

gaara4158 · May 20, 2019

ToddNotTodd said:
I don’t know, he’s providing a mountain of evidence as to why people should deconvert from Christianity. He may be responsible for so many people switching positions that abortion clinics may start being named for him.

Hmm, I guess if your goal on the forum is to convert people away from Christianity he's an invaluable asset. It's a shame what these threads do to the level of discourse here, though.

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

ToddNotTodd said:
I don’t know, he’s providing a mountain of evidence as to why people should deconvert from Christianity. He may be responsible for so many people switching positions that abortion clinics may start being named for him.

gaara4158 said:
Hmm, I guess if your goal on the forum is to convert people away from Christianity he's an invaluable asset. It's a shame what these threads do to the level of discourse here, though.

I just read this in the Bible, God saying that those who think they see will be made blind

And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?” Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
John 9:39-‬41 NKJV

Just to make sure I was in my integrity when I was posting about the wickedness of homosexual sin, I prayed and asked God: if I said something in sin please show me, on the other hand if I posted righteous words again please show me. I prayed a similar prayer but not exact, and He showed me and confirmed I was posting the right words.

So if God is using me to test the faith of those who are weak, then so be it. It is good that Jesus have strong followers and not those who will be too weak on sin and misrepresent Him.

Gods will be done not my will.

Amen.

"I’m walking on air... God brings life... he rekindles burned-out lives with fresh hope, restoring dignity and respect to their lives’
(1 Samuel 1:1,6,8, MSG).

Lord, fill me with streams of living water, satisfy my thirst, break every bondage and help me like Jesus, to demonstrate not only the power of the Spirit, but also the fruit of the wonderful Holy Spirit in my daily life.

in Jesus wonderful name, amen

Tinker Grey · May 20, 2019

gradyll said:
Lord, fill me with streams of living water, satisfy my thirst, break every bondage and help me like Jesus, to demonstrate not only the power of the Spirit, but also the fruit of the wonderful Holy Spirit in my daily life.

in Jesus wonderful name, amen

You're supposed to pray in your closet. Who you trying to impress?

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
You're supposed to pray in your closet. Who you trying to impress?

Since Jesus died on the Cross and was raised up, the Holy Spirit now lives in each and every believer. We are now the temple of God (2 Corinthians 6:16) and can pray anywhere with the help of the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 6:18; Romans 8:26 ). Praying in every place fulfills the words of Christ in John 4.

but just so you know every time I open the Bible I read words that directly speak to the situation here. Like this verse:

He will guard the feet of His saints, But the wicked shall be silent in darkness. “For by strength no man shall prevail. The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken in pieces; From heaven He will thunder against them. The Lord will judge the ends of the earth.”
I Samuel 2:9‭-‬10 NKJV

Tinker Grey · May 20, 2019

You are being ostentatious. Jesus forbade that. Repent.

createdtoworship · May 20, 2019

Tinker Grey said:
You are being ostentatious. Jesus forbade that. Repent.

God's word can be that way.

Moral Orel · May 21, 2019

gradyll said:
here is the link where there are dozens of articles about homosexuality as pathology (mental illness)
LGBT Mental Health Bibliography

No, it's not. This is a link to dozens of articles about treating people for mental illness who happen to be part of the LGBTQ community. It's an LGBTQ organization, for Pete's sake! There isn't a single article in that list that calls homosexuality itself a pathology.

createdtoworship · May 21, 2019

Nicholas Deka said:
No, it's not. This is a link to dozens of articles about treating people for mental illness who happen to be part of the LGBTQ community. It's an LGBTQ organization, for Pete's sake! There isn't a single article in that list that calls homosexuality itself a pathology.

I would look into your allegation to trouble shoot it (at first glance it would say it affects the cause and affect of LGBT), but I am not replying to your posts for two weeks. Please remind me then.

Moral Orel · May 21, 2019

gradyll said:
I would look into your allegation to trouble shoot it (at first glance it would say it affects the cause and affect of LGBT), but I am not replying to your posts for two weeks. Please remind me then.

I'm not going to keep track of your timetable for responding to my posts. I'm just going to continue to correct the errors I see you make in this thread, and you can do with that information as you please. I'm already used to you ignoring my points that you can't refute, so not much will change.

When you do start replying again, remember that I've requested you to explain briefly, in your own words, how scientists disproved Spontaneous Generation.

ToddNotTodd · May 21, 2019

Nicholas Deka said:
I'm not going to keep track of your timetable for responding to my posts. I'm just going to continue to correct the errors I see you make in this thread, and you can do with that information as you please. I'm already used to you ignoring my points that you can't refute, so not much will change.

When my son was 3, he’d get mad when I pointed out that he had gotten something wrong and yell that he didn’t want anyone to talk to him. Because he was 3, it came out sounding like “No taco meat!” Even though it wasn’t a nice thing to yell, it was still cute... because he was a toddler.

But when you’re not a toddler...

createdtoworship · May 21, 2019

now since we all know how sinful sin is, there is hope. The Gospel:

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