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Are you "up" on your "signs and wonders" watch?

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BTW - thanks for that informative list.

you started out with this




Certainly that is true.

These texts are also true -

Matt 24
23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.KJV

2 Thess 2
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
... 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Rev 13
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast

And so on the one hand I (like almost every other Christian on planet Earth) want to be watching for the signs that are from God - but at the same time I don't want to fall into the much-predicted signs-and-wonders trap that the Bible predicts for the end times.

Orthodoxy has many miracles as well, and they're more believable. We have the fullest truth.

Thanks for bringing that up
 
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Yes, rather than seeking and embracing every sign and wonder, we should seek God and seek to be obedient first. We can praise The Lord for showing us signs and wonders through faithful people. It can bolster our enthusiasm and faith but like the scripture implies, performing these deeds doesn't mean God's message is behind it and God's message is not always accompanied by outward signs and wonders.

I don't have any information about what specific Christian group experiences more miracles or prophecy that comes true. God is sovereign and he heals those who he chooses. God does listen to prayers and petitions, especially in groups from my understanding. Someone explained it to me this way: Nobody can wield healing or tongues etc. God chooses where he grants his gifts.
 
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Someone explained it to me this way: Nobody can wield healing or tongues etc. God chooses where he grants his gifts.
It is true that God determines who gets what spiritual gifts just as 1 Cor 12 says.
 
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This is very true -- and as the texts in the OP show us - a great deal of deception is planned for the end of times via "signs and wonders" in fact Matt 24 says it to such a great extent that it "would deceive even the very elect" if they are not watching very carefully.
 
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Yes, rather than seeking and embracing every sign and wonder, we should seek God and seek to be obedient first.
There have been people who have made "checklists" on how to compare a supernatural revelation with scripture to see if it is valid or not.

The most obvious one is this:

Deut 13:1 If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
 
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Certainly that is a good thing to watch for ... but we have this as well...

2 Thess 2
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.

Display's himself as "being God" in the most deceptive manner must include "as being the one true God"

2 Cor 11: 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

So Satan presents himself as "the good" God - Jesus Christ... second coming

After which the real Jesus Christ appears at the real second coming.
 
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Signs and Wonders:

The Real WONDER Woman (Sermon-PDF)

Luk_11:16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.

Isa_8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Luk_11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

Luk_2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

Repentant life, of Victory over sin in the people of God (as it was in Christ Jesus, victor over temptation and sin), is the real sign, the real wonder. which is spoken against by the religious of this age.
 
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Yes, rather than seeking and embracing every sign and wonder, we should seek God and seek to be obedient first. We can praise The Lord for showing us signs and wonders through faithful people.

True - but as the texts above point out - signs and wonders set by Satan to dupe mankind are more common than one might have hoped.
 
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God gives a Noah message in Genesis 6 -- for a reason.

He gave a John-the-baptizer message in the Gospels -- for a reason.

He gives the Rev 14-16 warning message at the end of the world - for a reason.

But in each case - in each age -- there were those who saw no point to what God was doing in that regard.
 
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