Are you educated?

[Captain Jackson]

This is the only message board, and indeed the only place in the world, with a large number of theistic evolutions that I know of.

It is also one of the few places where I see some Creationists and atheists who are at least slightly tolerant of Christians who embrace evolution.

At other message boards and in real life a person is instantly told that he or she is not a true Christian if he/she agrees with evolution and does not take Genesis literally.

Let's go back to the comment about Creationists and atheists. I have come to think they are tolerant of the idea of "Christian evolution" because they have met several Christians who are evolutionists at this site and read many defenses of the position.

One case study is CF member Citizen of Earth. He said that a person cannot be a Christian and an evolutionist in one of his first few posts on this site. Recently, however, he claimed that he does not think that there is a conflict between Christianity and evolution.

Is it safe to say that the more a person learns about theistic and/or Christian evolution the more tolerant he or she will become of it?

 

[wfb]

Or learn that christianity is not about a scientific model, but about Jesus?

More understanding for each others opinion would indeed be nice.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Is it safe to say that the more a person learns about theistic and/or Christian evolution the more tolerant he or she will become of it?

Not necessarily. In general, I would say that creationists who don't have a huge stake in creationism would be more tolerant and even accepting of non-creationist viewpoints.

OTOH, there are some creationists that have staked so much on their belief systems that they see little recourse but to attack anything contrary to their beliefs. An example would be Socrates (Dr. Sarfati from AIG) who posts over at TWeb. He clearly is intelligent enough to understand the theistic evolution viewpoint, but he is so wrapped up in his own beliefs, that he can do nothing but spit venom at opposing viewpoints.

 

[Arikay]

I think its safe to say that the more a person learns the Truth about theistic evolution the more tolerant they become.

Quite frankly, I think we can thank the likes of Seebs, and Lucaspa and Bushido and many of the other smart, and sane, theistic evolutionists. (yes im leaving quite a few out, I know)

 

[Jet Black]

Not necessarily. In general, I would say that creationists who don't have a huge stake in creationism would be more tolerant and even accepting of non-creationist viewpoints.

OTOH, there are some creationists that have staked so much on their belief systems that they see little recourse but to attack anything contrary to their beliefs. An example would be Socrates (Dr. Sarfati from AIG) who posts over at TWeb. He clearly is intelligent enough to understand the theistic evolution viewpoint, but he is so wrapped up in his own beliefs, that he can do nothing but spit venom at opposing viewpoints.

he is a real tragedy. He is so unchristian it is unbelievable, and then he has his little cadre of brown nosed followers. depressing, which is why I prefer this site.

 

[Captain Jackson]

"Compared to August the month of September is likely to be relatively a lot less stressful for most of the world, especially from natural and man-made accidents, terrorism, and violence standpoints. - Prediction for Sept. 2001 on astroinsight.com."

Very interesting. I was taking a history class during the 2001-02 school year, and we had to read the newspaper every day during the first semester of this course, and we were quizzed over them. On September 10, 2001, my history teacher complained because there had not been anything interesting in the previous day's newspaper.

Also, we had to do term projects for the course during that semester, and one of the topics suggested for it several days before the attacks was terrorism. Interestingly, no one chose that.

 

[the_malevolent_milk_man]

As an atheist you have to be somewhat tolerant of the theo-evos. They recognize the same data and same trends as the atheistic evolutionist. Only thing that really seperates the two is the "how" and "start". Obviously, those questions can't be answered at this point in time. All you can do is call it a stalemate, unless you want to argue over theoretical possiblities till you're blue in the face.

As for the creationist... haha, can't think of anything that doesn't sound like a flame so I'll just say they're good for a laugh.

 

[notto]

. . . unless you want to argue over theoretical possiblities till you're blue in the face.

You bring the keg, I'm in. Haven't done THAT since college.

 

[David Gould]

As someone who was not even aware that creationists existed during my 12 years as a Christian, from my now atheistic perspective creationism is incompatible with christianity.

 

[toff]

As someone who was not even aware that creationists existed during my 12 years as a Christian, from my now atheistic perspective creationism is incompatible with christianity.

As an ex-christian atheist, I believe creationism is compatible with christianity.

It's just not compatible with rationality.

 

[LorentzHA]

I think its safe to say that the more a person learns the Truth about theistic evolution the more tolerant they become.

Quite frankly, I think we can thank the likes of Seebs, and Lucaspa and Bushido and many of the other smart, and sane, theistic evolutionists. (yes im leaving quite a few out, I know)

Don't forget abput the conversion of MySavior from a hardcore creationist to a theistic evolutionist.

 

[revolutio]

I have been educated sufficiently to realize I am an supremely ignorant.

Don't forget abput the conversion of MySavior from a hardcore creationist to a theistic evolutionist.

I am still doubting that. Maybe I am too cinical to accept something that uplifting. Good grief I am even sounding dogmatic about it.

 

[LorentzHA]

I have been educated sufficiently to realize I am an supremely ignorant.

I am still doubting that. Maybe I am too cinical to accept something that uplifting. Good grief I am even sounding dogmatic about it.

Or maybe I am too trusting? Not sure?? I think that one is true. He PM'd me a few times. Nice guy who wants to learn.

 

[jon1101]

In my case, becoming educated about evolution lead to my accepting evolution altogether. In fact, since I've begun to read literature on the subject that isn't published by pseudo-science YEC groups, I tend to regard creationism as rather silly. I've also known very conservative Christian to become open to the idea that Genesis is not a literal scientific account of creation after they learn a bit about the opposition.

-Jon

 

[IrishRockhound]

In Ireland it's just taken on faith that the bible isn't literal at all. I never knew that creationism still existed until I stumbled across EvCForum.net - and I was stunned to find that people still believed it!

I can't imagine why I'm still here, after all the complete nonsense I've heard from creationists - probably because I think anyone can be saved if they just see the evidence with their own eyes.

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

I know a Christian board (UK based) where creationists are as rare as hens' teeth. Many of the YE creationists here wouldn't last two minutes there with their attitudes towards others.

But I'm not posting the URL here. It is my oasis of sanity and I don't want it filling up with aggressive fundamentalists from here.

URL available by PM for anyone interested however.

 

[pureone]

read "Finding Darwins God" by Ken Miller (everyone here should)
Ken makes the point that other PhD's in his Department are more willing to accept an evolutionary biologist who accepts and beleives in God than the Christians he meets in his Church functions are willing to accept a Christian who accepts and understands evolution.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

It is my personal belief that Genesis and evolution are not compatable, because the book of Genesis was written by men who believed it - men who were ignorant. I believe they thought it was a literal event, and was used to explain what no one else could.

Though I admit that it could be meant to be taken figuratively, it doesn't seem to be the case to me.

 

[Dal M.]

Oh, I don't know-- a man whose name literally means "man" who learns the difference between good and evil by eating the fruit of a tree he was told to avoid? They might as well have written "THIS IS A METAPHOR" at the top of each page.

 

[LorentzHA]

Oh, I don't know-- a man whose name literally means "man" who learns the difference between good and evil by eating the fruit of a tree he was told to avoid? They might as well have written "THIS IS A METAPHOR" at the top of each page.

I have vistied a Jewish Syn. with some friends from school. Actually, one of the prefaces in some of the lit. they had there- it said Genesis is Allegory. They should know, they wrote it, after all.