Are you doing all you can in the endtimes??

Notrash posted in message #36:

Posted by Bible2:

Does Nero Caesar's name really equal 666 in Hebrew?
That is, can it be shown that the Hebrew spelling
by which it equals 666 was the normal Hebrew spelling
of his name, and not an aberrant spelling resulting
from people intentionally fiddling with it until it
equaled 666?

Nero Caesar wasn't the Antichrist because he never
sat in the Jewish temple and proclaimed himself God
(2 Thessalonians 2:4; Daniel 11:31,36).

Nor did Nero Caesar have a miracle-working False
Prophet (Revelation 19:20) who could call fire down
from heaven (Revelation 13:13), make a speaking
statue of Nero which everyone had to worship
(Revelation 13:15), or make everyone receive Nero's
mark on their forehead or right hand (Revelation
13:16).

Nor did Nero fulfill Daniel 11:21-45, which summarizes
the career of the Antichrist from the point of his
first being given some power until his final attack
on Jerusalem right before the second coming of Jesus
(cf. Zechariah 14:2-4).

Nor was Nero destroyed by the second coming of Jesus
(2 Thessalonians 2:8, Revelation 19:20).

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Keep asking those questions, the answer is out there.

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If the answer is out there, why not in here, in this
thread? Is it because the answer is that Nero in fact
didn't fulfill 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:31,36,
Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:4-18, Daniel 11:21-45,
and 2 Thessalonians 2:8?

Notrash posted in message #37:

quote by Arethas (c.850 - 944)

(On the Early Dating of Revelation)
"For there were many, yea, a countless multitude from
among the Jews, who believed in Christ : as even they
testify, who said to St Paul on his arrival at
Jerusalem : Thou seest, brother, how many thousands
of Jews there are which believe. (Acts xxi. 20.) And
He who gave this revelation to the Evangelist,
declares, that these men shall not share the
destruction inflicted by the Romans. . . . "

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In the above quote is God the "He" who "gave this
revelation to the Evangelist"? If so, when did God
declare in the Bible that the many thousands of
believing Jews in Acts 21:20 would not share the
destruction inflicted by the Romans? And if God
nowhere makes that declaration in the Bible, where
did God make that declaration? On what source is
Arethas basing this first claim?

Regarding the second claim attributed to Arethas:

For the ruin brought by the Romans had not yet fallen
upon the Jews, when this Evangelist received these
prophecies ...

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What prophecies are being referred to here? Some which
purportedly included the prophecy that the many
thousands of believing Jews in Acts 21:20 would not
share the destruction inflicted by the Romans? Or is
the book of Revelation being referred to, which
doesn't include any such prophecy?

If the book of Revelation is being referred to, on
what ancient source is Arethas basing his claim that
John wrote Revelation before 70 AD? That is, how could
Arethas, living some 900 years after the time of John,
have known when John wrote Revelation?

And how does Arethas' claim, living some 900 years
after the time of John, jibe with the claim of
Irenaeus (c. 140 - 200), who lived much closer to the
time of John, and who in one place in his writings can
be understood as saying that John wrote Revelation
during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian
(81 - 96)? Why is it said that most scholars set the
date for the writing of Revelation at 95 AD, some 25
years after the destruction of the temple?

The bottom line is that the date that John actually
wrote Revelation cannot be proven beyond a reasonable
doubt, so preterists cannot pretend that Revelation
had to have been written before the destruction of
the temple. Revelation very well could have been
written some 25 years after the destruction of the
temple.

onwingsaseagles posted in message #39:

To answer the thread, I don't know if I am saving
provision for the Great tribulation as I should, but
I believe God will provide.

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God may not provide for all Christians during the
coming tribulation, for God could allow many
Christians to die by famine during that time, just as
God has allowed many Christians to die by famine
throughout history.

So if we want to be sure that we don't die by famine
during the coming tribulation, we might want to think
about storing up a lot of canned food that will be
able to last us throughout that time, which could
start in 2010 and last through the seven years of
2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016, when
Christ could return.

We might not have to resort to our canned food until
2013, when the Antichrist could institute his mark
(Revelation 13:16), whereby Christians won't be able
to buy food anymore (Revelation 13:17).

onwingsaseagles posted in message #39:

What I am doing is preparing my heart, mind, and
spirit for the reality that the tribulation is coming
soon and although will be hard it will not last long
and then our Lord will return.

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When we are suffering through the coming tribulation,
it could seem exceedingly long. But we will still need
to endure it unto the end with patience and faith
(Revelation 13:10, 14:12-13, Matthew 24:9-13).

Our Lord could return on the 1,335th day after the
abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12, cf.
Revelation 16:15), which could occur on December 21,
2012.

onwingsaseagles posted in message #39:

The main thing we as christians need to do in these
end times is debunk the pretrib rapture theory so
that our brothers and sisters in Christ will not be
taken off guard.

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That is very important, for some pre-tribbers, when
they suddenly find themselves in the tribulation,
could become greatly "offended" at their suffering
(Matthew 13:21, 24:10-12) and the suffering of their
innocent little ones, to the point where some will
even reject and curse God (Isaiah 8:21-22, 1 Timothy
4:1, 2 Thessalonians 2:3b).

But, at the same time, there could be many pre-
tribbers who will do just fine, and endure the
tribulation unto the end with patience and faith
(Revelation 13:10, 14:12-13, Matthew 24:9-13),
while the faith of some post-tribbers could fail
during their long tribulation suffering, despite all
the instructions they had given to pre-tribbers
(cf. Job 4:3-5).

Ultimately, what will make the difference in whether
or not the faith of a Christian fails during the
coming tribulation will not be his eschatology, but
his obedience to Christ now in these days before the
tribulation, for it is only by obeying Christ now in
these days that our spiritual house will be on the
rock during the tribulation (Matthew 7:24-25), just
as our disobeying Christ now in these days will
ensure that our spiritual house will be on a
foundation of mere sand during the tribulation
(Matthew 7:26-27).

So our preparation for the coming tribulation must
go far beyond storing up canned food and preparing
ourselves intellectually for the coming suffering,
it must extend to our entire walk with Christ during
each and every day (Luke 9:23) leading up to the
coming tribulation.

onwingsaseagles posted in message #39:

God Bless You All.

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May God bless us as we obey Him (John 14:21,23).

Carey posted in message #44:

... where do you get 2010??

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There are two scriptures that may point to 2010 as
the year that the tribulation could start, if they
are interpreted as referring to the endtime
commandent to restore the state of Israel which
occurred in November, 1947, when the U.N. passed a
Resolution re-establishing a state of Israel.

The first scripture is Matthew 24:32-34, where the
fig tree could represent Israel (Hosea 9:10) and the
rebudding of the fig tree could represent Israel's
endtime re-establishment. If a generation usually
passes after 70 years (Psalms 90:10), and Matthew
24:32-34 means that the generation that saw the
endtime re-establishment of Israel will not pass
until the tribulation and subsequent second coming
have occurred, then Jesus may need to return in
2016, which is 69 years after the endtime re-
establishment of Israel. If Jesus' return will be in
2016, then the seven-year tribulation could begin in
2010 and run through the seven years of 2010, 2011,
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016.

The second scripture is Daniel 9:25, where the
commandment to restore could include reference to
the endtime commandment to restore Israel, so that
the coming of Messiah (Christ) referred to in Daniel
9:25 could include reference to the endtime coming
of Messiah, the second coming. The Hebrew word
translated as "weeks" in Daniel 9:25 is derived from
a word which means "to be complete", so that when
Daniel 9:25 says that there will be 69 "weeks" from
the time of the commandment to restore until the
coming of Messiah, this could include the meaning
that there will be 69 "to be completed", which could
mean 69 years to be completed. So the second coming
of Messiah could occur 69 years after the endtime
commandment to restore Israel, or in 2016. If 2016
will also be the final year of the tribulation,
because the second coming has to occur on a day which
is immediately after the tribulation (Matthew
24:29-30), then counting back from 2016 the seven-
year tribulation would include the seven years of
2016, 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, and 2010.

So Matthew 24:32-34 and Daniel 9:25 could be two
different witnesses (cf. 2 Corinthians 13:1b) to 2010
as the year the tribulation could begin.

Carey posted in message #46:

[Re: Tribulation starting in 2010]

We will just have to see.

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That's right. Time will tell.

Carey posted in message #46:

But If my savior is coming that soon yeeeee haaahhh
hurray hurray

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Amen. Seeing the tribulation start should make us
rejoice, insofar as it means that Jesus' return to
bring us into immortality (1 Corinthians 15:22-23,52-53)
and rule the earth (Revelation 20:4-6) is only 7 years
away (cf. Luke 21:28).

Carey posted in message #48:

If you or anyone here following this thread would
like to help me get the Gospel out to as many people
as possible.

Here is my regular e-mail and phone #
cajdbest2001@yahoo.com
360-773-3241 mobile #

Lets talk about it.

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The core of the gospel is the death of Jesus for our
sins and his resurrection on the third day
(1 Corinthians 15:1-4). The larger gospel is
everything in the Gospels, as in Matthew, Mark, Luke,
and John (Mark 1:1, 14:9, 16:15). The full gospel
must also include Acts (2:17). And we cannot leave out
all the gospel-preaching of Paul in his epistles
(1 Thessalonians 2:4, Galatians 1:11-12), or any of
the rest of the scriptures of the New Testament, which
are all divinely-inspired and gospel-related (1 Peter
1:25). And we need to include the divinely-inspired
prophecies and types of the gospel in the Old
Testament (Acts 26:22, Luke 24:44-45; 2 Peter
1:20-21). Indeed, we must preach the whole Word of
God, the entire Bible (2 Timothy 4:2, 3:15-17), every
last word of it (Matthew 4:4), and not just to all of
the unsaved but to all of the saved as well
(1 Timothy 4:6, Matthew 24:45); we must preach the
gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15).