Are we required to kill unbelievers?

[hithesh]

(Luke 19:27) Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.'"

He's not saying he's going to slay his enemies, he's telling his servants to kill those who do not want him to be king?

Is our lord requiring us to start an inquisition to please him?

 

[127Rockledge]

Yes. And I will start it~!

 

[ZuZu]

 

[intricatic]

Matthew 13
49 "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, " 50 "And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. "

The servants Christ calls to do this at the end of this parable aren't us, I shouldn't think.

 

[UBERROGO]

(Luke 19:27) Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me.'"

He's not saying he's going to slay his enemies, he's telling his servants to kill those who do not want him to be king?

Is our lord requiring us to start an inquisition to please him?

You may be on to something here. I will pray about it. If I dont hear anything I will just assume that I should be killing unbelievers and get to work.

 

[tulc]

Hmmm read this article?
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm
I liked this quote in it:

"Religion being a matter of the will, it cannot be forced on anyone; in this matter it is better to employ words than blows [verbis melius quam verberibus res agenda est]. Of what use is cruelty? What has the rack to do with piety? Surely there is no connection between truth and violence, between justice and cruelty . . . . It is true that nothing is so important as religion, and one must defend it at any cost [summâ vi] . . . It is true that it must be protected, but by dying for it, not by killing others; by long-suffering, not by violence; by faith, not by crime. If you attempt to defend religion with bloodshed and torture, what you do is not defense, but desecration and insult. For nothing is so intrinsically a matter of free will as religion."
-Lactantius (writing in 308 AD) (Divine Institutes V:20)

tulc(greatful for the seperation of Church and State)

 

[hithesh]

The servants Christ calls to do this at the end of this parable aren't us, I shouldn't think.

Well, I'm pretty sure it's the same servants, that the Lord required to use their talents, and that requirment is for us, so why wouldn't the second requirment be for us? It fits perfectly well into certain OT laws, and since not an iota of those laws have passed, perhaps we are still to send apostates to death.

The servants aren't tossing them into the fiery furnance, no more so than, say we do, in taking a sinners life on death row, or whatever. We kill in this world, and the angels toss the souls into the fiery furnace in the outerworld.

I would think a vocal apostate is much worse than a rapist, or mass murderer, because they lead other people to eternal torrment, including their own children. Why not slaughter them, as christ asked us to, for the sake of these children?

 

[intricatic]

Well, I'm pretty sure it's the same servants, that the Lord required to use their talents, and that requirment is for us, so why wouldn't the second requirment be for us? It fits perfectly well into certain OT laws, and since not an iota of those laws have passed, perhaps we are still to send apostates to death.

The servants aren't tossing them into the fiery furnance, no more so than, say we do, in taking a sinners life on death row, or whatever. We kill in this world, and the angels toss the souls into the fiery furnace in the outerworld.

I would think a vocal apostate is much worse than a rapist, or mass murderer, because they lead other people to eternal torrment, including their own children. Why not slaughter them, as christ asked us to, for the sake of these children?

It wasn't a requirement - it was after the completion of the duty itself.

Elsewhere in the gospels Christ makes reference to angels being the exacters of His will in the Day of the Lord when the wheat is seperated from the tares. Lest we forget that angels are also servants of God. This is essentially the same thing. But the OT Law is both more simple and more complicated than that. It was built to demonstrate God's perfect Grace and His perfect Justice at the same time - man can't be expected to love their neighbors and also kill them for adultery, or apostasy. But the punishment of the Law was given only to God (in Christ) under the new covenant because mankind has a deficiency of understanding how Justice and Grace can co-exist.

 

[hithesh]

It wasn't a requirement - it was after the completion of the duty itself.

Elsewhere in the gospels Christ makes reference to angels being the exacters of His will in the Day of the Lord when the wheat is seperated from the tares. Lest we forget that angels are also servants of God. This is essentially the same thing. But the OT Law is both more simple and more complicated than that. It was built to demonstrate God's perfect Grace and His perfect Justice at the same time - man can't be expected to love their neighbors and also kill them for adultery, or apostasy. But the punishment of the Law was given only to God (in Christ) under the new covenant because mankind has a deficiency of understanding how Justice and Grace can co-exist.

well, it's pretty clear to see that the servants are representive of believers, thinking anything beyond this, takes a bit of imagination, and far fetched logic as we have above.

We might as well assume that every law in the OT, that required the stoning of certain individuals, that it wasn't humans who were required to do the stoning, but the angels.

and wouldn't 99.99% of sinners have to be dead already, in order to be tossed into the fiery furnance?

 

[intricatic]

well, it's pretty clear to see that the servants are representive of believers, thinking anything beyond this, takes a bit of imagination, and far fetched logic as we have above.

We might as well assume that every law in the OT, that required the stoning of certain individuals, that it wasn't humans who were required to do the stoning, but the angels.

and wouldn't 99.99% of sinners have to be dead already, in order to be tossed into the fiery furnance?

Actually, that'd be about accurate. Christ alone is given the right to determine punishment for sin; social government is an entirely different matter. All people eventually die in this world. That's a given. Why should we speed up the process for something we have no right or need to judge?

But tell me, where does Chrsit specify who's to kill the people who didn't want Him as King over them?

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Actually, that'd be about accurate. Christ alone is given the right to determine punishment for sin; social government is an entirely different matter. All people eventually die in this world. That's a given. Why should we speed up the process for something we have no right or need to judge?

But tell me, where does Chrsit specify who's to kill the people who didn't want Him as King over them?

Com'n Intricatic "Stone Me" I have had a rough week, I could usue a good stoning.

 

[intricatic]

Com'n Intricatic "Stone Me" I have had a rough week, I could usue a good stoning.

Same here. I'm just not in the mood for stoning anyone... it'd be too much work, and I'm exhausted. :o

But Bob Dylan's song about stoning is a good idea, imho....

Well, they'll stone ya when you're trying to be so good,
They'll stone ya just a-like they said they would.
They'll stone ya when you're tryin' to go home.
Then they'll stone ya when you're there all alone.
But I would not feel so all alone,
Everybody must get stoned.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Same here. I'm just not in the mood for stoning anyone... it'd be too much work, and I'm exhausted. :o

But Bob Dylan's song about stoning is a good idea, imho....

Pefect little christian boys don't smoke Grass or drink booze. Boy an I glad I am not perfect But just throw a little rock, com'n maybe a pebble? I could use a good beating LOL

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Pefect little christian boys don't smoke Grass or drink booze. Boy an I glad I am not perfect But just throw a little rock, com'n maybe a pebble? I could use a good beating LOL

PS Bob Dylan was just in town. I read a very positive review.

 

[intricatic]

Pefect little christian boys don't smoke Grass or drink booze. Boy an I glad I am not perfect But just throw a little rock, com'n maybe a pebble? I could use a good beating LOL

Speak of double-entendres

 

[intricatic]

PS Bob Dylan was just in town. I read a very positive review.

I heard his latest album is supposed to be excellent.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Dylan is always excellent. Funny thing, I have never seen him live. I have seen the Stones umpteen times but never "the Man" I will make a point to see him nest time. He always comes to Boston.

 

[intricatic]

I haven't seen him live, either... I was supposed to go with my dad a while back, but he took my sister instead. So now I have to wait for him to come down here. But yes, Dylan is always excellent..

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

I haven't seen him live, either... I was supposed to go with my dad a while back, but he took my sister instead. So now I have to wait for him to come down here. But yes, Dylan is always excellent..

Night my friendly adversary behave yourself and have a nice weekend.

 

[hithesh]

But tell me, where does Chrsit specify who's to kill the people who didn't want Him as King over them?

"Now as for those enemies of mine who did not want me as their king, bring them here and slay them before me"

Is he not speaking to the servants with the talents?

When does christ specify who is to use their talents?