Are we living through revelation chapter 6?

[Trusting in Him]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat. I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel, so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog? What do we think could be happening.

 

[Hammster]

No. Rosh isn’t Russia. There’s no similarity in names, so that can’t be it. Plus, Rev 6 took place in the first century.

 

[sandman]

Noooo……We can’t be.
If we were ...you are not saved by grace...and there is no body of Christ

 

[bèlla]

We’re living through unprecedented times (for our generation) as spiritual plans unfold (God and satan’s). The parable of 10 virgins comes to mind. We may be uncertain of present times in respect to prophecy. But we’ve heard and seen enough to justify preparedness. Practically and spiritually so.

 

[com7fy8]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat.

Jesus says,

"'And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.'" (Matthew 24:6-8)

And in Revelation we see how there will be a time when "a third of mankind" will be killed by plagues > Revelation 9:18. Ones understand this will be during the great tribulation. But my point is that what is happening now is less than having a third of humans killed by plagues.

And in the past, one time according to a history book I read . . . something like four hundred thousand soldiers of one army got killed during one battle in early-history Korea. And in history the bubonic plague could have killed even two hundred million people > the United States presently has a population of about 330 million people. So, I can see how the COVID thing has been a "bunny" plague, compared to past things.

So . . . what we are seeing now is not necessarily a major increase of trouble, compared to past times in history. But, of course, we do well to care in prayer for any and all people >

"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence." (1 Timothy 2:1-2)

I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

It appears that things have been worse, in the past. So, I personally do not consider the wars and plagues to be some major change from how things have been.

And, by the way . . . if you were a Native American when soldiers came and wiped out your villages . . . you might have taken that to be some end-time thing if you had some familiarity with what Jesus says about the end-times. We can have a way of centering the meaning of God's words around what we are going through and are aware of.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel,

Well, in English the name "Rosh" does have some poetic similarity with the sound of the name "Russia". And for all we know this could be what God arranged. Even so > according to what I just looked up . . . on the Net, yes . . . Rosh in Hebrew means "head". Right now, I would say, neither Russia nor Vladimir is the head of . . . much. But in case God already knows that Russia will eventually be involved in a massive attack on Israel . . . then Russia will not be stopped from that.

so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog?

Well . . . let me look up "Gog" in Hebrew > well, this is one name which does not have a Hebrew meaning. And it seems it can refer to a country north of Israel. So, Vladimir is not the only guy north of Israel. But what God knows will come to pass!

In any case, Ezekiel 38:14-23 talks about what will happen to Gog when Gog comes from the "far north" and attacks Israel. This seems to say God will bring Gog so then God can smack the living daylights out of Gog, so all will know who really is God. So, if Gog in Ezekiel 38:14-23 means Russia . . . they are on their way to a b-i-g problem.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat. I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel, so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog? What do we think could be happening.

I'm just happy I did not live during the black plague where a third really did die.
If we keep fearing, God will send it but I guess that is what some Christians want. Be prepared with your oil lamp filled with His Holy spirit.
Blessings.

 

[Jamdoc]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat. I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

We possibly are, it's certainly going in the same order. The whole world was "conquered" without war by someone behind the scenes, peace was shattered, now we're staring at economic collapse and famine on the horizon, with a potential war with another "beast of the earth" (Gentile Empires) that could easily kill 1/4 of the population of the Earth.
It's certainly possible.
Had anyone heard of "the great reset" or "build back better" prior to 2020? It seems to have come out of nowhere and now it's practically a household term.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel, so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog? What do we think could be happening.

This I don't agree with.
the word rosh is used almost 600 times in the bible and every single time it's used to indicate a position, the chief, the head, or the root.
Like Rosh Hashanah.. the "Head of the Year"
So what Ezekiel 38 is saying is that Gog is the "Chief Prince" of Meshech and Tubal... 2 regions in modern day Turkey. Magog was also a region in modern day Turkey.

If what we're seeing is living out Revelation 6.. then what comes after the economic collapse and famine, is a world war. That would be between the US/Western Europe and Russia, maybe China. 3 beasts of the earth. They'd basically destroy each other and unhinge the entire current world system.
Ripe to.... replace it with another system, a global system, to do away with the problems of competing nations/beasts.

This would also make the Middle East the center of power for the world, instead of Europe, Russia, North America, or China.

Gog is I believe, another name for Antichrist, because the end of the Gog/Magog war results in God's name never being blasphemed again.
If Gog was some "penultimate dictator" as many will teach.. what you have is God saying His name will never be blasphemed again... and then... Antichrist comes and blasphemes His holy name.

also Ezekiel 38

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

Who did God warn about in prophecy?
The Antichrist, the little horn, the man of sin, the son of perdition.... not just some random dictator.

 

[Jamdoc]

Noooo……We can’t be.
If we were ...you are not saved by grace...and there is no body of Christ

2 things
#1. Jesus said to 4 believers who were Church fathers, and included them in the people that would be persecuted and go through Great Tribulation. This was not to unbelieving Jews, it was to believing Christians, the first Christians. Jesus didn't know the exact date, so.. the audience is to all believers from the point He said it forward.
What you probably do not understand, is that the Great Tribulation ends before the sun and moon go dark in Revelation 6:12. That's what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29. So what you think the Great Tribulation is, with all the water turning to blood and the demonic locusts and all that.. is not what Jesus knew as the Great Tribulation, so take heart. The Great Tribulation is therefore at most, the first 5 seals, which would make it all caused by men, not the wrath of God. What can men do to you that you should fear?
Destroy your physical body? You'll get a new one. Be more worried about the people who would persecute you, because they'll be repaid by the living God.

#2. Nowhere in Revelation 6 does it say anything about the 70th week of Daniel, or a Covenant.
Therefore the first 4 seals can take place before the 70th week. They can be what sets up the 70th week.
Because In Daniel 9, the Antichrist, already has to have some authority to enter into a covenant or confirm it. How does he get that power? Daniel 11 says he is not granted the right of kingship, but gains the kingdom by flatteries:

Daniel 11

21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

So the antichrist, who Antiochus was a picture of, but not the fulfillment of this passage of scripture, did not come to power through established means. He's not a rightful king, he's not an elected president, and he takes power peaceably, he's not a conqueror or some sort of coup d'état.

What he is, is someone who rises to power among a small nation (always referred to as the little horn, he rises from obscurity), or perhaps small non-state organization. Like a group of elite globalists.

So how does a guy like that, gain authority to enter into an international treaty or covenant for 7 years?

Well one way is for his group of people to orchestrate a bunch of problems, and present himself and his group, as the solution to those problems.

So what you potentially have.. is.. a pandemic that locks down the entire world, a war, an economic collapse and famine, and the war becomes a world war, potentially with the use of biological or nuclear weapons that kills 1/4 of the planet's population...
quite a lot of problems right?

Now you have a group of people claiming to have an answer to all these problems, that they will say are caused by striving nations, that do not cooperate together, they let a pandemic spread around the world because they wouldn't all cooperate on how to contain the pandemic.. 2 competing nations went to war and because they were large exporters of grain and energy the whole world suffered economic crisis and famine, then the competing nationalistic states nuked each other and plunged the entire world into chaos.
How do you solve this problem?
Dissolve the competing nations, make everyone on the globe work together as a global community, and you restart the economy
... with a great reset.
... "build back better"

all that would be the prologue of the story of the 70th week.
not the 70th week itself.

 

[sandman]

2 things
#1. Jesus said to 4 believers who were Church fathers, and included them in the people that would be persecuted and go through Great Tribulation. This was not to unbelieving Jews, it was to believing Christians, the first Christians. Jesus didn't know the exact date, so.. the audience is to all believers from the point He said it forward.
What you probably do not understand, is that the Great Tribulation ends before the sun and moon go dark in Revelation 6:12. That's what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29. So what you think the Great Tribulation is, with all the water turning to blood and the demonic locusts and all that.. is not what Jesus knew as the Great Tribulation, so take heart. The Great Tribulation is therefore at most, the first 5 seals, which would make it all caused by men, not the wrath of God. What can men do to you that you should fear?
Destroy your physical body? You'll get a new one. Be more worried about the people who would persecute you, because they'll be repaid by the living God.

#2. Nowhere in Revelation 6 does it say anything about the 70th week of Daniel, or a Covenant.
Therefore the first 4 seals can take place before the 70th week. They can be what sets up the 70th week.
Because In Daniel 9, the Antichrist, already has to have some authority to enter into a covenant or confirm it. How does he get that power? Daniel 11 says he is not granted the right of kingship, but gains the kingdom by flatteries:

Daniel 11


So the antichrist, who Antiochus was a picture of, but not the fulfillment of this passage of scripture, did not come to power through established means. He's not a rightful king, he's not an elected president, and he takes power peaceably, he's not a conqueror or some sort of coup d'état.

What he is, is someone who rises to power among a small nation (always referred to as the little horn, he rises from obscurity), or perhaps small non-state organization. Like a group of elite globalists.

So how does a guy like that, gain authority to enter into an international treaty or covenant for 7 years?

Well one way is for his group of people to orchestrate a bunch of problems, and present himself and his group, as the solution to those problems.

So what you potentially have.. is.. a pandemic that locks down the entire world, a war, an economic collapse and famine, and the war becomes a world war, potentially with the use of biological or nuclear weapons that kills 1/4 of the planet's population...
quite a lot of problems right?

Now you have a group of people claiming to have an answer to all these problems, that they will say are caused by striving nations, that do not cooperate together, they let a pandemic spread around the world because they wouldn't all cooperate on how to contain the pandemic.. 2 competing nations went to war and because they were large exporters of grain and energy the whole world suffered economic crisis and famine, then the competing nationalistic states nuked each other and plunged the entire world into chaos.
How do you solve this problem?
Dissolve the competing nations, make everyone on the globe work together as a global community, and you restart the economy
... with a great reset.
... "build back better"

all that would be the prologue of the story of the 70th week.
not the 70th week itself.

You lost me on this ↓ statement. I can only assume you are referring to Mar 13:3

"#1. Jesus said to 4 believers who were Church fathers and included them in the people that would be persecuted and go through Great Tribulation. This was not to unbelieving Jews, it was to believing Christians, the first Christians. Jesus didn't know the exact date, so.. the audience is to all believers from the point He said it forward."

But regardless ….My statement was made based on the fact that we can’t be living in two different times.

We are either in this administration of Grace or we are in the Tribulation period.

If (as you indicate) we are in the tribulation period… that means that the administration of grace, the church of God, the one body of Christ, the one new man, and everything it encompasses (basically the church epistles) are obsolete…over with …terminated.

But…that is not the case….I know that for a truth. This administration of Grace ….the period we now live was kept hid in God and was not revealed until after Pentecost ….It was hid in the fact that it did not exist until… it was revealed by God. All prophecy from the OT (which includes the gospels) could not contain anything that pertains to this this age or administration of Grace……because it was hid in God.


The things that Jesus spoke “were” at that time the coming events to happen. …BUT God slipped in this administration of grace which kicked off at Pentecost.
The one body, the church of God, and everything it encompasses was revealed….and fully realized some years later when Paul received the revelation of the mystery…… And until this administration of grace is terminated…. everything else is held in abeyance…..but it all will come to pass right down the prophetic line.

 

[Jamdoc]

You lost me on this ↓ statement. I can only assume you are referring to Mar 13:3

"#1. Jesus said to 4 believers who were Church fathers and included them in the people that would be persecuted and go through Great Tribulation. This was not to unbelieving Jews, it was to believing Christians, the first Christians. Jesus didn't know the exact date, so.. the audience is to all believers from the point He said it forward."

But regardless ….My statement was made based on the fact that we can’t be living in two different times.

We are either in this administration of Grace or we are in the Tribulation period.

If (as you indicate) we are in the tribulation period… that means that the administration of grace, the church of God, the one body of Christ, the one new man, and everything it encompasses (basically the church epistles) are obsolete…over with …terminated.

But…that is not the case….I know that for a truth. This administration of Grace ….the period we now live was kept hid in God and was not revealed until after Pentecost ….It was hid in the fact that it did not exist until… it was revealed by God. All prophecy from the OT (which includes the gospels) could not contain anything that pertains to this this age or administration of Grace……because it was hid in God.


The things that Jesus spoke “were” at that time the coming events to happen. …BUT God slipped in this administration of grace which kicked off at Pentecost.
The one body, the church of God, and everything it encompasses was revealed….and fully realized some years later when Paul received the revelation of the mystery…… And until this administration of grace is terminated…. everything else is held in abeyance…..but it all will come to pass right down the prophetic line.

I don't do hard dispensationalism
Salvation has always been by Grace through Faith. Hebrews 11 shows us that.

Also it's not a "tribulation period" or a "7 year tribulation"
these terms are never found in the bible.

What Jesus said about Great Tribulation is that it will happen after the midpoint of the 70th week.... and that it will be cut short for the elect's sake.
So it doesn't even last 3.5 years. The elect go through great tribulation, but then Jesus delivers them while some are still alive.
I know this is cut short because Jesus said IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun and moon go dark.
When does that happen in Revelation?
At the 6th seal.
So what does that mean?
Everything after the 6th seal is not what Jesus meant by "Great Tribulation".
Revelation 7 and Revelation 15 (2 narratives of the same thing, focusing on different details) show the saints in heaven having overcome great tribulation, or having overcome the mark of the beast (which happens during the great tribulation)
What comes after that?
The wrath of God... payback on the world that caused the great tribulation (which is persecution).
So if you say we're not appointed to God's wrath, I say, amen, that's true. The saints are shown in heaven before a single trumpet, or a single vial is used.

But are we promised to be spared persecution by evil men?
No.
We're promised we will have tribulation.
But be of good cheer, Jesus has overcome the world.

but as you say, I am referring to Mark 13:3 as the audience for the Olivet Discourse. Too many times people try to pass off the Olivet Discourse as not being about the rapture because "it's to Israel" "it's to the Jews" but it was privately to 4 disciples, 4 believing, saved, CHRISTIAN disciples, who's names are written in heaven (literally, their names are in the foundations of the walls of the New Jerusalem) who spread the gospel and founded the Church.
Unbelieving Jews will not read the Olivet Discourse, so no, it's not to them.
and throughout, Jesus says "when ye see", so.. he's referring to Christians, the audience of this discourse. Not "when they see" referring to people other than Christians.

all the signs Jesus gave in the Olivet Discourse are the first 5 seals of Revelation 6, up to the 6th seal which is when Jesus appears in the heavens and gathers the elect.

Then Jesus goes into parables about what happens to those left behind.
It is not "they become tribulation saints". For some, who joined with those persecuting their brethren, Jesus returns and they are cut to pieces and their portion is with the hypocrites (and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth), for the 5 foolish virgins, they're locked out, and Jesus doesn't say "come back later" He just rejects them.

But really, if you want to believe in Pretribulationism.. fine, but consider that the first 4 seals don't necessarily take place in the 70th week. More and more I think they take place before the 70th week
Because the antichrist has to come out of obscurity, and have authority to enter into an international covenant, and I believe the 4 seals are how that happens.

 

[Matt5]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat. I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel, so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog? What do we think could be happening.

Yes, but you won't like it. A serious discussion of the topic is generally taboo. It is better to go off into a vague theoretical discussion about some futures events, or it all happened in history. When you talk about today that is going too far.

What about just looking out the window?

The current war in Ukraine will lead us to World War III. Why? Because of the Dec. 17, 2021 letter. What letter? The letter where Putin laid out his demands: NATO out of Eastern Europe and the US reduced to regional power, or else. The "or else" part is a military-technical response from Putin, aka war. And then shockingly we got war on Feb 24th. Ukraine is merely the starting point. Given that Putin is failing in Ukraine there will be escalation at some point.

What most people don't know is that America and China are close to war over Taiwan.

Most people also don't know that Israel and Iran are close to a really big war. I expect this war to go nuclear as Israel will be faced with utter defeat and destruction. This would be the Isaiah 17 scenario.

Think of Isaiah 17 as a Sarajevo moment. Russia and China will have the green light to nuke America. This is actually Isaiah 18, but you should be able to figure that out on your own.

If Russia and China nuked America then about how many people would die? Would that be about a quarter of the world's population? Does that suspiciously look like the 4th seal in Rev. 6? Does 9/11 look suspiciously like the 2nd seal?

 

[Servant78]

Revelation 6 is the secret of sequential events in the last 7 years of great tribulation

 

[Servus]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat. I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel, so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog? What do we think could be happening.

Perhaps. But all those kinds of things have happened before. Imagine how many thought the same about WWI and the Spanish Flue in 1918. And during WWII. I'm sure many thought Hitler was the Antichrist.

 

[Timtofly]

If Russia and China nuked America then about how many people would die? Would that be about a quarter of the world's population? Does that suspiciously look like the 4th seal in Rev. 6? Does 9/11 look suspiciously like the 2nd seal?

No. The majority of the earth's population is in Asia including China and India. The current population of the US is 330 million. That is only a third of a billion. India has a population of 1.3 billion. China has an equal population of 1.3 billion. US is only the .3 billion. Russia has half the population of the US at .14. The European Union makes up about .75 billion. Russia would probably run out of troops before they could control Europe. Unless of course they used nukes. But then no one would be able to live in Europe for years. The only way to even take out 25% of the world in one shot, 2 billion, would be to take out the largest cities of China and India. The rest of the earth's 6 billion are too far spread out over Africa, the ME, and SA.

Russia today would be way more populated. People forget that Communism practically wiped out the Russian population, along with fighting the 2 WWs. If there are actually 1 to 2 billion Christians, the rapture would also greatly reduce earth's population.

 

[Jamdoc]

Revelation 6 is the secret of sequential events in the last 7 years of great tribulation

I'm going to clear this for you yet again.
The Great Tribulation is not 7 years long.
Jesus said that there would be great tribulation AFTER the midpoint.
that makes it no longer than 3.5 years.
Furthermore, He said the days would be cut short... so not even 3.5 years.

Listen to Jesus, not your pastor, not the guys on Youtube, hey don't even listen to me.

Matthew 24:15-29

Compare it to Revelation 6 and 7.

Get a biblical understanding of the Great Tribulation.

 

[Jamdoc]

No. The majority of the earth's population is in Asia including China and India. The current population of the US is 330 million. That is only a third of a billion. India has a population of 1.3 billion. China has an equal population of 1.3 billion. US is only the .3 billion. Russia has half the population of the US at .14. The European Union makes up about .75 billion. Russia would probably run out of troops before they could control Europe. Unless of course they used nukes. But then no one would be able to live in Europe for years. The only way to even take out 25% of the world in one shot, 2 billion, would be to take out the largest cities of China and India. The rest of the earth's 6 billion are too far spread out over Africa, the ME, and SA.

Russia today would be way more populated. People forget that Communism practically wiped out the Russian population, along with fighting the 2 WWs. If there are actually 1 to 2 billion Christians, the rapture would also greatly reduce earth's population.

I have a hunch, that if Russia and the US nuked each other, the resulting deaths would be about 1/4 of the world's population. It used to be in like the 80's, that we had so many nuclear weapons that it was theorized if we used all of them on each other we'd kill everyone.
But with treaties made starting in the late 70's and continually built on in the 80's and 90's until today, the US and Russia went from having 8000 active nuclear warheads each, to being limited to 1500 nuclear warheads each, and both countries have hundreds of their allowed nuclear warheads reserved for "tactical" nuclear weapons that are lower yield and used for battlefield situations rather than the larger "strategic" nuclear weapons that would be used on cities, military bases, each other's ICBM silos (trying to prevent them from shooting back if they can), and infrastructure like ports, airports, oil refineries, steel mills, etc. The rest of our warheads are in reserve....
but if anyone thinks we're going to shoot 1500 nuclear warheads at each other, then pull out more from reserves to do a 2nd wave they're crazy. That 1500 each is going to totally collapse Europe, Russia, and the US and make them irrelevant in the world, and the fallout will go all over the world and kill a lot more. The famine that'd result from the loss of aid from the US and Europe would kill more as well, and the environmental damage would reduce crop yields for years.

So it'd be devastating, but with the reduced numbers of warheads that we keep active, I think it'd be about 1/4 the population, because that's what the bible gives as a death toll for an event that involves a great war, disease, and famine by "the beasts of the earth". Not everyone will die from it, that's for sure, because God has promised that we wouldn't destroy the earth ourselves.. He'd do it for us.

 

[Jamdoc]

Yes, but you won't like it. A serious discussion of the topic is generally taboo. It is better to go off into a vague theoretical discussion about some futures events, or it all happened in history. When you talk about today that is going too far.

What about just looking out the window?

The current war in Ukraine will lead us to World War III. Why? Because of the Dec. 17, 2021 letter. What letter? The letter where Putin laid out his demands: NATO out of Eastern Europe and the US reduced to regional power, or else. The "or else" part is a military-technical response from Putin, aka war. And then shockingly we got war on Feb 24th. Ukraine is merely the starting point. Given that Putin is failing in Ukraine there will be escalation at some point.

What most people don't know is that America and China are close to war over Taiwan.

Most people also don't know that Israel and Iran are close to a really big war. I expect this war to go nuclear as Israel will be faced with utter defeat and destruction. This would be the Isaiah 17 scenario.

Think of Isaiah 17 as a Sarajevo moment. Russia and China will have the green light to nuke America. This is actually Isaiah 18, but you should be able to figure that out on your own.

If Russia and China nuked America then about how many people would die? Would that be about a quarter of the world's population? Does that suspiciously look like the 4th seal in Rev. 6? Does 9/11 look suspiciously like the 2nd seal?

I mean I think whatever started happening started happening in 2020, but maybe? Revelation 6 does not give any times. The only thing that matches up with it is the Olivet Discourse and similarly Jesus gives no times there until using the Abomination of Desolation which is at the 3.5 year mark of the 70th week, and the sun and moon going dark which when lined up with Revelation 6 is the 6th seal.
Placing the 5th and 6th seals in the last 3.5 years.
Everything else is .. it could be in the 70th week, it could be before the 70th week. We're not told.

 

[Matt5]

No. The majority of the earth's population is in Asia including China and India. The current population of the US is 330 million. That is only a third of a billion. India has a population of 1.3 billion. China has an equal population of 1.3 billion. US is only the .3 billion. Russia has half the population of the US at .14. The European Union makes up about .75 billion. Russia would probably run out of troops before they could control Europe. Unless of course they used nukes. But then no one would be able to live in Europe for years. The only way to even take out 25% of the world in one shot, 2 billion, would be to take out the largest cities of China and India. The rest of the earth's 6 billion are too far spread out over Africa, the ME, and SA.

Russia today would be way more populated. People forget that Communism practically wiped out the Russian population, along with fighting the 2 WWs. If there are actually 1 to 2 billion Christians, the rapture would also greatly reduce earth's population.

I was including China in the death count.

Check out this recent headline:

A Fight Over Taiwan Could Go Nuclear | Foreign Affairs

"A recent war game, conducted by the Center for a New American Security in conjunction with the NBC program “Meet the Press,” demonstrated just how quickly such a conflict could escalate. The game posited a fictional crisis set in 2027, with the aim of examining how the United States and China might act under a certain set of conditions. The game demonstrated that China’s military modernization and expansion of its nuclear arsenal—not to mention the importance Beijing places on unification with Taiwan—mean that, in the real world, a fight between China and the United States could very well go nuclear."

 

[Matt5]

I mean I think whatever started happening started happening in 2020, but maybe? Revelation 6 does not give any times. The only thing that matches up with it is the Olivet Discourse and similarly Jesus gives no times there until using the Abomination of Desolation which is at the 3.5 year mark of the 70th week, and the sun and moon going dark which when lined up with Revelation 6 is the 6th seal.
Placing the 5th and 6th seals in the last 3.5 years.
Everything else is .. it could be in the 70th week, it could be before the 70th week. We're not told.

True, there is a lot of guessing going on.

The Dec. 17, 2021 demand (blackmail) from Russia:

"The Russian blackmail is explicit and is directed at both the Americans and the Europeans. If the West does not accept the Russian ultimatum, they will have to face “a military and technical alternative”, according to Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko: “The Europeans must also think about whether they want to avoid making their continent the scene of a military confrontation. They have a choice. Either they take seriously what is put on the table, or they face a military-technical alternative.”"

"In a word, Russia is demanding that NATO commit suicide, and that the United States be reduced to the role of a regional power."

Source: What Does the Russian Ultimatum to the West Mean? | Desk Russie

And China: China is becoming more 'coercive and aggressive:' U.S. defense chief

 

[Douggg]

I can't help wondering what's going on. A lot of world events such as Covid, The Ukraine war, rising food prices, and talk about a large part of the worlds population soon not having enough food to eat. I'm not saying that I'm right, but what's going on. Has anyone got any thoughts about if any of this stuff sounds like prophetic end time events.

Ezekiel chapter 38 talks about the prince of Rosh (Russian it seems) starting an end times war against Israel, so who is Putin? Could he be the biblical Gog? What do we think could be happening.

Putin could be the biblical Gog person.

The seals in Revelation 6 have not begun yet. The first seal is the rider on the white horse (a perceived messiah figure) who is given a crown.

Gog/Magog...

then right after Gog/Magog, the seven years begin with the rider on the white horse perceived by the Jews as being the messiah, and he is given a crown as the King of Israel, coming in his own name, the person the bible calls the Antichrist.

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possible players - Putin as Gog.

Zelensky as who becomes the Antichrist.

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The war in the Ukraine is not itself the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39. But could be leading up to it.

Zelensky, a Jew, has burst onto the global scene as the foremost outspoken opposer to Russia aggression. Zelensky is trying to get global support for Ukraine; and because they are the closest, is seeking help from the Europeans.

The little horn person is over a ten king group - of the old Roman Empire nations - which Europe has the most military strength and geographic location to produce those ten kings - because when Gog/Magog does materialize, the little horn person "stands up" as it says in Daniel 8:23. With the likely reason to poise as a deterrent show of force to the Russia/Muslim alliance who seek to invade Israel.

The little horn waxes strong to the south and east, toward the promised land in Daniel 8:9, indicating he will be coming from the European part of the world.

Following God's supernatural destruction of Gog's army, the little horn person as an opposer to that force, could be seen by the Jews as their long awaited Jewish messiah. There has been a song written and sung about Zelensky available on You Tube - "can one man save the world?" Well, it's not hard to see where that could possibly be heading.