Are we in the last days?

[Gentlemantech48]

I'm sorry but I think accepting the "gap theory" is a bad compromise. The church looked for a way to compromise with evolutionists and this was the result. I'm sorry but when the Bible says "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day" it means just that. One real, sun-rising, sun-setting day had taken place. To believe otherwise is to compromise what has been written.

 

[woodpecker]

I thought was a great answerer from Hanegraaff on the literal interpretation of Genesis

Hank Hanegraaff and the Literal Interpretation of Genesis on Vimeo

 

[woodpecker]

another good teaching against dispensationalism

Hank Hanegraaff Israel - Bing Videos

 

[nChrist]

I'm sorry but I think accepting the "gap theory" is a bad compromise. The church looked for a way to compromise with evolutionists and this was the result. I'm sorry but when the Bible says "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day" it means just that. One real, sun-rising, sun-setting day had taken place. To believe otherwise is to compromise what has been written.

Amen! - Yes, it is just this simple.

 

[Memukan]

I'm sorry but I think accepting the "gap theory" is a bad compromise. The church looked for a way to compromise with evolutionists and this was the result. I'm sorry but when the Bible says "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day" it means just that. One real, sun-rising, sun-setting day had taken place. To believe otherwise is to compromise what has been written.

Whattttttt, and you believe the ice age was in Genesis 7? I'm sorry to tell you, but the church has been compromised for a very long time. We have churches that teach Jesus turned water into grape juice, we have churches teach that there are two last trumpets in their rapture teaching. We have churches that say GOD does not heal today, with others that GOD does not speak directly to His people today. Churches that teach Messiah died on Friday and Yahshua arose on Sunday. According to your math from above that is 1 and 1/2 days not the 3 days Yahshua said He would be in the grave. There are even some who will not read the Older Covenant be cause they say it is done away with. I could go on and on.
The Bible teaches YAH creates every thing perfect, Genesis 1:1 Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was without form and void,darkness was over the face of the deep and the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the waters. The earth was flooded. Jeremiah 4:23-26 says the same thing. Peter touches on it as well in IIPeter 3:4-7. Now the question is how many times has the earth been flooded, some will say once and some will say twice. People will deny and scoff at what they do not understand or what disagrees with their theology. Brother, I hope this year you celebrate the Feast of Passover and not the feast of easter and I hope you do not go to a church that has an easter egg hunt.

Peace,

Memukan

Deut. 29:29, Proverbs 25:2,
Romans 11:33, Job 38

 

[Gentlemantech48]

Why are you giving me all this stuff about the church compromising and acting like I'm not on the side of good Bible teaching? I'm in agreement with you that the church has been compromised for a very long time. If you insist that the gap theory is real then prove it. If you don't think there was a connection between the worldwide flood and the "ice age" then prove it. I believe Christian-based scientists who say that the worldwide flood created massive earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that buried humans and animals and created the earth layers. Beyond our possible disagreement on that, I think you are preaching to the choir.

 

[Memukan]

Why are you giving me all this stuff about the church compromising and acting like I'm not on the side of good Bible teaching? I'm in agreement with you that the church has been compromised for a very long time. If you insist that the gap theory is real then prove it. If you don't think there was a connection between the worldwide flood and the "ice age" then prove it. I believe Christian-based scientists who say that the worldwide flood created massive earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that buried humans and animals and created the earth layers. Beyond our possible disagreement on that, I think you are preaching to the choir.

Your the one that opened the door about compromising, besides I do not have to prove to you the ice age happened in Genesis 7. Your the one posting about that. I posted that I lean toward the gap theory. I gave you Scripture that leans in the direction of two floods. One before the creation of Adam and the one at the time of Noah. Which you seem to claim caused the ice age. It is not written in stone for me to believe one way or the other. But the word void in Genesis 1:2 is used only 3 times in Scripture according to Strongs -void is 922 in that concordance. Theological Word book of the OT says to be "made empty by GODS judgement". In Jeremiah 4:23 its the same picture.(Job 22:16, II Peter 3:4-6) The Jewish sages say in Genesis 1:2 that the earth "became" void. Which would go along with T.W.O.T. Some folks believe in a pre-adamite time period.Where satan ruled this world before his fall. The gap theory is just that, a theory. For me it has nothing to do with evolution, but it would explan the ice age and why scientists believe the earth is hundreds of thousands years old. Elohim designed it and created it by the WORD of HIS mouth.

Memukan

 

[Gentlemantech48]

True Age of the Earth

 

[Memukan]

True Age of the Earth

Nice website. How many thousands 5 or 6,10 or 20 ? I am sure carbon dating has come a long way over the years like every thing else, but its still a flawed technology. I like science, physics, geometry,and mathmatics they just show the GLORY that is our GOD and HIS WISDOM is beyond our understanding.

Peace to you,

Memukan

 

[Ave Maria]

I am not sure if we are in the last days or not but it certainly seems as though we are getting close if we aren't already in the last days. But then again, Saint Paul and other early Christians also thought they were living in the last days but apparently they weren't because its been approximately 2000 years since then and Jesus Christ has not returned yet so if they could be wrong on the issue then I am certain I or anyone else could be wrong on the issue as well.

 

[woodpecker]

agree Ave. lets look at what apostle Paul taught the church about Christ return and what to expect.

What is amazing is Paul says people will be saying "3When people are saying, “Everything is peaceful and secure,” then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman’s labor pains begin." 1 Thess. 5

so ok, most people will be going about their business like the day of Noah, and Paul reminds the church Christ will not return until a certain event occurs...so Paul must of been informed by the Holy Spirit this would happen....but it sure makes it difficult for us here 2000 yrs later to know exactly what he is teaching.

"For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. 4He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. "(2 Thess. 2)

this is how we come up with all the differing theologies of Christ return, some Christians believe this took place during the fall of the temple, others believe it has not happened yet...but does history report seeing this, read below....

9This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. 10He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 11So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.(2 Thess. 2)

and did this happen:, 8Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming." (2 Thess. 2)

so if the man of lawlessness already happened, the scriptures teach Jesus destroyed him AT HIS COMING.(?)

Well looks as though this has not happened, or we missed the resurrection and we are all wondering around in hell....not.....or this was not a literal teaching, it is spiritual, see how crazy all this can get.

Then on top of all the above, some Christians take OT scripture add to this scripture, and we get all types of scenarios to what the "end times" will look like.

I chose just to live my life for God, in holiness and servitude, in this way He will not come as a thief in the night, but I will be ready. "4But you aren’t in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won’t be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief." (1 Thess. 5)

One day, hopefully soon this will happen, praise God...

51But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies. (1 Corinthians 15)

 

[Memukan]

I am not sure if we are in the last days or not but it certainly seems as though we are getting close if we aren't already in the last days. But then again, Saint Paul and other early Christians also thought they were living in the last days but apparently they weren't because its been approximately 2000 years since then and Jesus Christ has not returned yet so if they could be wrong on the issue then I am certain I or anyone else could be wrong on the issue as well.

II Peter 3:7-9....verse 8; But beloved,be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD a thousands years and a thousand years as one day.

So how can Paul and other Christians be wrong, its only been two days.
Please answer this Ave Maria, if they were supposedly wrong about the Last Days, what else are they wrong about ?

Memukan

 

[bestofdays]

THe wisdom of God, I think is seen in that Every Generation had that urgency and feeling and hope and lived as if they were in the last generation. I earnestly believe that we are in the last generation and yet I am impressed that the Christians in Paul's day felt like it would be any moment, " In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye..." How quickly an eye will sparkle when with love one beholds another. I sound like a poet, i'm scaring myself. Keep on keeping on, All! bestofdays

 

[bestofdays]

Live holy and stay filled with God's Spirit and be a light in this dark, dark time! Pray with me, Father, give wisdom to President Obama and especially how he treats Israel with respect for your ancient covenants." Amen! Reply if your in agreement!

 

[Soothfish]

I would add that there has been an increase of earthquakes and other natural disasters. Something is definitely happening but I just want to make sure I'm not taking scripture out of context. When Jesus said in Matthew 24:34 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened", He meant just what he said: "this generation". He was speaking to the disciples generation about what Rome was about to do so obviously he was not talking about the 21st Century. That is one example of scripture being taken out of context for purposes of "proving" modern Eschatology.

The worst natural disasters occurred in the distant past. It is highly likely that the tsunami of Noah's time was the result of a massive volcano avalanche that rocked the Mediterranean. Although the Bible seems to describe a flash flood. Could have been both. The volcanic ash would have effected weather patterns on the level of a hemisphere.

 

[bestofdays]

Noahs flood was supernatural in the earth opened up and released floodwaters from beneath the surface. Read the account closely. 2 major earthquakes causing much loss of life just in the past decade cannot be taken lightly nor pauls teaching to timothy that evil men will get worse or that they would call good evil and evil they say is great and good.

 

[Soothfish]

Noahs flood was supernatural in the earth opened up and released floodwaters from beneath the surface. Read the account closely. 2 major earthquakes causing much loss of life just in the past decade cannot be taken lightly nor pauls teaching to timothy that evil men will get worse or that they would call good evil and evil they say is great and good.

Many of these natural disasters are affecting populations that don't deserve it nearly as much as others. An earthquake hit the believers in Haiti but nothing serious has rocked hedonist cities like San Fransisco in a very long time. Sure there are horrible human rights violations in Haiti but a large percentage of the population is dedicated to God at a level that puts the west to shame. San Fransisco is a modern Sodom that is spoiled by undeserved taxpayer handouts.

Even if God is withholding protection and allowing these quakes to happen, it still doesn't make sense.

((As for the cause of the flood. I'm still looking for the record of a Mediterranean oceanic quake. I don't think God would try to cover up something like that))

 

[GLK]

Even so.....come, Lord Jesus! It can't come soon enough for me. I too believe that we are in the end times and I'm sure that believers have thought that for centuries. one thing you have to admit, we are closer than we've ever been before.

 

[mandyangel]

The End Times subject is a mega-interesting one to me but its really hard to understand and theres a lot of wordy stuff to it.

I'd so love if somebody could explain it to me in a mandyproof nut shell. I think I've gotten a better handle on it in the last few years buts till could use all the help I could get. mandy

 

[woodpecker]

mandyangel,

lets look at what apostle Paul taught the church about Christ return and what to expect.

What is amazing is Paul says people will be saying "3When people are saying, “Everything is peaceful and secure,” then disaster will fall on them as suddenly as a pregnant woman’s labor pains begin." 1 Thess. 5

so ok, most people will be going about their business like the day of Noah, and Paul reminds the church Christ will not return until a certain event occurs...so Paul must of been informed by the Holy Spirit this would happen....but it sure makes it difficult for us here 2000 yrs later to know exactly what he is teaching.

"For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. 4He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. "(2 Thess. 2)

this is how we come up with all the differing theologies of Christ return, some Christians believe this took place during the fall of the temple, others believe it has not happened yet...but does history report seeing this, read below....

9This man will come to do the work of Satan with counterfeit power and signs and miracles. 10He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 11So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies. 12Then they will be condemned for enjoying evil rather than believing the truth.(2 Thess. 2)

and did this happen:, 8Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will kill him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming." (2 Thess. 2)

so if the man of lawlessness already happened, the scriptures teach Jesus destroyed him AT HIS COMING.(?)

Well looks as though this has not happened, or we missed the resurrection and we are all wondering around in hell....not.....or this was not a literal teaching, it is spiritual, see how crazy all this can get.

Then on top of all the above, some Christians take OT scripture add to this scripture, and we get all types of scenarios to what the "end times" will look like.

I chose just to live my life for God, in holiness and servitude, in this way He will not come as a thief in the night, but I will be ready. "4But you aren’t in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won’t be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief." (1 Thess. 5)

One day, hopefully soon this will happen, praise God...

51But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies. (1 Corinthians 15)