Are they're any legit good Colon cleansing options?

[DaisyDay]

Fruit and vegetables are coloured such as orange, red or green so you can pick the ones that are easier to digest without the annoying bacteria.

Digestion depends on bacteria (of course, those digestion-aiding bacteria may not be the annoying ones).

 

[Quasicentennial]

The annoying bacteria that cause indigestion become outnumbered and consumed by good bacteria if enough fruit and vegetables are eaten, preferably more non-cooked fruit and vegetables free of pathogens such as frozen berries like cranberries and blueberries, to receive as much nutrients as possible.

 

[StarryEyes]

Good ol' green, leafy, raw veggies.

 

[sbvera13]

can you really drink mineral oil?

The body simply doesn't digest it, so it just runs through. It was used in the past as a laxative. Make sure you get food-grade oil if you try it. A drug store should have some.

That said, there's debate about whether it's actually harmless or not. I'd go with the green veggie option instead. It's much less "icky", and good for you too

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Fit For Life" I and II

 

[Mountainmanbob]

You can buy the common fleece kit at any pharmacy which is what the doctors tell you to use before coming in for a colonoscopy.

No prescription necessary.

That stuff will blow everything out until all you have is what looks like water.

After that take some good probiotics to build back the good bugs.

Be prepared to stay home for 10 to 20 hours.
Close to the potty.

Not to be used on date night.

M-Bob

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Chipotle?

In all seriousness, "cleanses" are a scam, as are "detox" solutions, etc...

They're usually just mild diuretics and supplements that give the person diarrhea as to make them think "this is really cleaning out my body!"

Unless you have some sort of kidney or liver disease that's preventing proper function, your body's own organs provide all of the "cleansing" and "detoxing" your body needs.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Amazing then, that some so-called 'scams' work good, relieve some or many troubles, prevent a lot of troubles that are more expensive 'scams',
and , well, that's good to start.....

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Amazing then, that some so-called 'scams' work good, relieve some or many troubles, prevent a lot of troubles that are more expensive 'scams',
and , well, that's good to start.....

In many cases, it's the placebo effect combined with the fact that they produce either a diuretic or laxative effect to make people think "wow, this is really flushing me out".

This article delves into the topic:
The Detox Scam: How to spot it, and how to avoid it

“Detox” is a case of a legitimate medical term being turned into a marketing strategy – all designed to treat a nonexistent condition. In the setting of real medicine, detoxification means treatments for dangerous levels of drugs, alcohol, or poisons, like heavy metals. Detoxification treatments are medical procedures that are not casually selected from a menu of alternative health treatments, or pulled off the shelf in the pharmacy. Real detoxification is provided in hospitals when there are life-threatening circumstances. But then there are the “toxins” that alternative health providers claim to eliminate. This form of detoxification is simply the co-opting of a real term to give legitimacy to useless products and services, while confusing consumers into thinking they’re science-based. Evaluating any detox is simple: We need to understand the science of toxins, the nature of toxicity, and how detox rituals, kits, and programs claim to remove toxins. With this framework, it’s a simple matter to spot the pseudoscience and be a smarter consumer.

The colon remains ground zero for detox advocates. They argue that some sort of toxic sludge (sometimes called a mucoid plaque) is accumulating in the colon, making it a breeding ground for parasites, Candida (yeast) and other nastiness. Fortunately, science tells us otherwise: mucoid plaques and toxic sludge simply do not exist. It’s a made-up idea to sell detoxification treatments. Ask any gastroenterologist (who look inside colons for a living) if they’ve ever seen one. There isn’t a single case that’s been documented in the medical literature. Not one.

The real irony I see behind this, is that alternative health/supplement advocates often push for these things because they see "Big Pharma" as an unethical entity that operates in secrecy, driven only by profit incentives...and somehow see the alternative medicine/supplement industry as an ethical alternative. Yet, it's the supplement industry that puts an astronomical markup on their products (if you watch the documentary "Bigger Stronger Faster", he speaks with industry insiders who explain many of these supplements are made for <$2, and put out on the shelves for $49.95. It's also the supplement industry that lobbied (back when they had their buddy Orrin Hatch in congress) to be able to hide the actual contents of their product under the line item "Proprietary Blend" and as long as they don't use an illicit substance, and put the "***Statements have not been reviewed by the FDA***" disclaimer on their bottle, they don't have to tell you what's in it. They even ran some lab tests on some of these supplements and found a vast disparity in terms of levels of the "effective ingredients" even between two bottles that came from the same case. (Where one would have nearly double of the advertised dosage, and another would have almost none of it).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In many cases, it's the placebo effect combined with the fact that they produce either a diuretic or laxative effect to make people think "wow, this is really flushing me out".

GOOD! If it works , use it, (if it works WITHOUT side effects).

In medical school, we learned about placebo effect.

Placebos WORK 60 percent of the time.
(i.e. MORE than almost ANY medicine drug)

and placebos cost pennies, instead of hundreds or thousands of dollars.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

GOOD! If it works , use it, (if it works WITHOUT side effects).

In medical school, we learned about placebo effect.

Placebos WORK 60 percent of the time.
(i.e. MORE than almost ANY medicine drug)

and placebos cost pennies, instead of hundreds or thousands of dollars.

Some placebos cost pennies...but, if you're buying your placebos from a store like GNC or off of a Chiropractors (IE not a real doctor's) website like Josh Axe or Eric Berg, placebos can take a big chunk out of your wallet.
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I'd argue that placebos aren't effective for major health issues.

I've seen the studies that show placebo efficacy, and to say "placebos work 60% of the time" -without providing context or the finer details about their use- is a bit misleading. That doesn't mean that you could prescribe a placebo for every ailment that comes through the door, and that 60% of people would have their issues go away. It simply means that it's shown a 60% efficacy rate within the (very limited) scope for which they're currently used.

...and it's a very limited scope. The overwhelming majority of their use is for the purpose of appeasing patients who think they need a medication (that they don't need) for conditions that typically clear up on their own without any sort of medical intervention. The most common cited usage is for patients who insist they need an antibiotic for an acute viral respiratory/sinus infection (which don't respond to antibiotics, only bacterial infections do), which typically clear up on their own in 7-10 days. The patient is appeased by the fact that they think they're getting meds and "doing something", meanwhile, their immune system is knocking it out (as it would have anyway) and they think it worked. In a smaller amount of cases they're used for patients who have a generalized "dis-ease" like feeling run down or hypochondriacs who link they have something that they don't so getting "medicine" makes them feel like their non-existent problem is being addressed.

Placebos will not actually cure you of any legitimate disease. For instance, if a person is a severe diabetic, and their doctor tried to give them a placebo instead of actual medication, the consequences would be severe.


The promotion of placebos for people who are having legitimate issues of the digestive system, therefore, is irresponsible and unethical. If a person is having a legitimate digestive issue, and it's not clearing up on its own, they need to see a Gastroenterology specialist and not hit the "colon detox" shelf at the supplement store.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Some placebos cost pennies...but, if you're buying your placebos from a store like GNC or off of a Chiropractors (IE not a real doctor's) website like Josh Axe or Eric Berg, placebos can take a big chunk out of your wallet.

If you don't think or know that Chiropractors are real , then don't go to one. Go somewhere else.

Instead of placebos, which work, people have the choice of nutrition and good supplements, which work.
Pick and choose.
Test and test.
Find out what works.

"A BIG chunk"? How much ?

 

[pgp_protector]

Chipotle?

In all seriousness, "cleanses" are a scam, as are "detox" solutions, etc...

They're usually just mild diuretics and supplements that give the person diarrhea as to make them think "this is really cleaning out my body!"

Unless you have some sort of kidney or liver disease that's preventing proper function, your body's own organs provide all of the "cleansing" and "detoxing" your body needs.

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Old thread (10 years dead) But love the Chipotle
( I was thinking Taco Bell personally )

 

[ThatRobGuy]

If you don't think or know that Chiropractors are real , then don't go to one. Go somewhere else.

Instead of placebos, which work, people have the choice of nutrition and good supplements, which work.
Pick and choose.
Test and test.
Find out what works.

"A BIG chunk"? How much ?

The first part isn't really up for debate, it's well-established that Chiropractic and "subluxation theory" are a pseudoscience.

That aside, you seem to have both snipped out, and ignored, the majority of my post which contained the pertinent info for this conversation.

Placebos "work" only within a very limited scope. And by "work", that means appease the patient until the ailment (which would've cleared up on its own) clears up. Thus the reason the primary use-case example of its usage is prescribing a placebo for a viral infection or for intangible ailments.

You won't find any physician worth their salt that's prescribing placebos for things like bacterial meningitis, coronary artery disease, major organ failure, epilepsy, etc... They'll do it when a patient comes in with a sinus infection (that's viral and will clear up on its own anyway, and doesn't respond to antibiotics) and is dead set on the idea "I need amoxicillin to fix this"

That's why context is important when having discussions about this.

There are some supplements that have benefits, but that's not what's being discussed here. The original conversation was about "Colon Cleanse" and "detox" supplements, which are overpriced, and offer no valid benefits. That's not the same as a person who's B-12 deficient taking a B-12 supplement from a reputable manufacturer.

This idea of "I'm going to do my own research, and make whatever decision I feel is best" is a particularly arrogant position with regards to complex topics like medical science. It's basically promoting the notion that "With a relatively small amount of internet research, I'm just as qualified to assess this situation as a physician or researcher who's spent decades in the field, and thus, now my opinion on the matter is just as valid as well-supported peer reviewed research"

It's the same mentality that anti-vaccine proponents employ to try to make their case.

People certainly wouldn't take that approach for a wide variety of other complex topics. These aren't subjective matters like determining "what's my favorite color" or "which food tastes the best". This is an objective topic for which there are, indeed, right and wrong answers.