Are there people here who aren't "allowed" into WWMC,

[Nymphalidae]

It sounds like a nice, loving place. Kind of like the Temple of Love in _1984_.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Stop by The Open Cafe for a latte and to say Hi!

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

the liberal believers forum, who wish they were?

W T F is the WWMC?

White Woman's Menstrual Cycle?
World Wide Mens Church (oh yeah, that's just the normal Church!)?
Where's Waldo Magasine Club?
YMCA spelled by dislexics or transliterated into Hebrew?

 

[GreenPartyVoter]

W T F is the WWMC?

*lol* Whosoever Will, May Come

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

W T F is the WWMC?

White Woman's Menstrual Cycle?
World Wide Mens Church (oh yeah, that's just the normal Church!)?
Where's Waldo Magasine Club?
YMCA spelled by dislexics or transliterated into Hebrew?

http://www.christianforums.com/f401-whosoever-will-may-come-liberal

Did you put balony in your shoes today so that you could feel funny?

 

[Maize]

Maybe someone here can answer this for me. Why is The Nicene Creed used as a measuring stick for ones Christianness when not all Christian denominations even use the Creed? I grew up in a strict Church of Christ, never heard of any creed until I visited a Presbytrian church in high school (although IIRC they use the Apostle's Creed) but Restorationists are considered Christians here. I don't understand the difference.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

I grew up in a strict Church of Christ too. I didn't know about the Creed until I joined CF!

 

[GreenPartyVoter]

There has to have some arbitrary measuring stick of "Christianness" so people know who to approve of and who to disapprove of, I guess.

 

[MidnightBlue]

Maybe someone here can answer this for me. Why is The Nicene Creed used as a measuring stick for ones Christianness when not all Christian denominations even use the Creed? I grew up in a strict Church of Christ, never heard of any creed until I visited a Presbytrian church in high school (although IIRC they use the Apostle's Creed) but Restorationists are considered Christians here. I don't understand the difference.

Moreover, many of the "Nicene" Christians here obviously do not believe in "one baptism for the remission of sins." CF finds it necessary to add the following note to the Creed:

This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.

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Well, it really can't. In this case CF plays fast and loose with the Nicene Creed in order to allow the "right" sort of people in. It seems it was also considered necessary to allow both the Eastern and Western versions of the Creed, as the CF rules allow the filioque but don't require it. It was also considered necessary to restrict discussion of some issues (Full Preterism, Open Theism, Universalism, and Annihilationism) that are not addressed by the Creed. So why use the Creed at all? Well, apparently some sort of dogmatic "test" was thought to be desirable. The Nicene Creed, with appropriate adjustments and the addition of a few other restrictions, comes closest to defining the "right" kind of Christian: those who give their intellectual assent to certain "orthodox" propositions.

Why not a more specific statement of faith? Almost using the Nicene Creed as the measure of faith gives CF's exclusionary policies a veneer of tradition and objectivity. The Athanasian Creed, the Westminster Confession, the Articles of Religion, etc., would have excluded too many of the "right" sort of people. The Apostles' Creed would allow in too many of the "wrong" sort of people.

In short, CF's policy is clearly designed to allow in Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Fundamentalists, Catholics, Orthodox, and other "orthodox" Christians, and to exclude Quakers, Unitarians, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other "unorthodox" Christians.

Of course, CF could have made the restrictions site-wide and saved a lot of bandwidth into the bargain, so I think we have to give Erwin credit for making CF as open as it is.

 

[Rochir]

W T F is the WWMC?

White Woman's Menstrual Cycle?
World Wide Mens Church (oh yeah, that's just the normal Church!)?
Where's Waldo Magasine Club?
YMCA spelled by dislexics or transliterated into Hebrew?

 

[Crazy Liz]

Moreover, many of the "Nicene" Christians here obviously do not believe in "one baptism for the remission of sins." CF finds it necessary to add the following note to the Creed:

This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.

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Well, it really can't. In this case CF plays fast and loose with the Nicene Creed in order to allow the "right" sort of people in.

And then there are the Quakers, many of whom would affirm "one baptism for the remission of sins," but hold that this means spirit baptism, not water baptism.

 

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

I still don't get it. Was that there all along that WWMC thingy?
W T F is up with that? Whosoever? Sounds like some old Shakespeare phrase.
Is it for geriatrics? I clicked in just fine. Do I get re-directed to www.hell.com if I'm not "whosoever"? W T F is this CF business all about? Making up labels and distinctions like we're not all the Church.

See You Next Tuesday, if you ask me.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Of course, CF could have made the restrictions site-wide and saved a lot of bandwidth into the bargain, so I think we have to give Erwin credit for making CF as open as it is.

OR, he could simplify all of this and use a check box to show that member self identifies as Christian.


but, but, but, this would make it possible for all those 'wrong' types to get in.

 

[Talmidah]

I got kicked out of it, and Toney had even invited me to partake of it. He was a co-founder. Go figure.

Even I took part back in the very beginning when Toney first helped get it started. Obviously no more...

 

[muffler dragon]

Even I took part back in the very beginning when Toney first helped get it started. Obviously no more...

Yep. Sad days, indeed.

 

[*Starlight*]

Hi!

I started a thread once in the Suggest New Features forum about changing the definition of a Christian on CF so that it could be more inclusive. There were a few suggestions posted... Many people agreed, but also a few people disagreed and after a while the thread died without Erwin even replying to it. I've read somewhere that the CF rules are going to be changed soon, so maybe it's a good time to revive that thread? Here's the link:

~*~* http://www.christianforums.com/t1796108 *~*~

I know that there are a lot of people who would love the Rule 6 to be more inclusive for non-mainstream Christians. Maybe if enough people post in that thread, the CF staff will consider changing that rule... I really hope so, especially because the site's motto is "Uniting all Christians as one body," not "Uniting all mainstream Christians as one body."
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[GreenPartyVoter]

Hi! the site's motto is "Uniting all Christians as one body," not "Uniting all mainstream Christians as one body."

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Mainstream.. first class.. real.. something like that. *g*

At least there is a subforum on the way. The ice cream parlor was great but hard to navigate. I think the subforum is a neat idea.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Check out WWMC today. Erwin is going to give us an open subforum, and we're working on a name for it. This essentially means opening WWMC, since we can use the subforum instead of the main forum.

 

[ahab]

I believe a street sweeper is someone who sweeps streets. I believe a teacher is someone who teaches people. I believe a Christian is a believer and follower of Christ.

One can call themselves a street sweeper but not sweep the streets. One can teach others but not be recognised as a teacher. One can call themselves a Christian but not do Christianity? Any thoughts?

 

[seebs]

I have some thoughts on that. I'm afraid I borrowed them:

[bible]Matthew 13:24-30[/bible]