LDS Are there false teachers in the world?

[Jane_Doe]

You supplied words from those who are totally opposed to Jesus, fakes, counterfeits, deceptive.

Would you like to respond to the actual words posted?

 

[withwonderingawe]

You supplied words from those who are totally opposed to Jesus, fakes, counterfeits, deceptive.

In Matt 12 Jesus performs a healing and the people asks; is this not the son of David? The Pharisees claim that he cast out devils by the power of Beelzebub. Jesus then gives us a very important principle

“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand…”

Satan will not teach a man to "come unto Christ", he will not teach a man to repent. His false prophets will tell men it’s okay to sin God will only give you a few strips.


John gave us the test to know if a man speaks for God;

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


My grandkids have all of these uncles which aren’t really uncles they are friends of their dad’s.

Does the doctrine of the Trinity teach that Jesus is the actual Son of God? I don’t think so. It goes round and round and uses the words "Son of God" but only in the same way my grandkids have all these pretend uncles.

The Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith taught that Jesus is the literal Son of God both spiritually and physically. God the Father is in him just as my earthly father is in me, we share the same dna. We could say God the Father cloned himself, he took some of his own eternal cells or molecules and placed them in the womb of the Virgin Mary to create a body for Yahweh that was made in the expressed image of himself. Jesus is the Son of God!

Joseph Smith gave this testimony;
19 And while we meditated upon these things, the Lord touched the eyes of our understandings and they were opened, and the glory of the Lord shone round about.
20 And we beheld the glory of the Son, on the right hand of the Father, and received of his fulness;
21 And saw the holy angels, and them who are sanctified before his throne, worshiping God, and the Lamb, who worship him forever and ever.
22 And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Deception is deception , and the world and those of the world never see it.

 

[Ironhold]

So - no one going to answer me?

 

[Rescued One]

2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[FanthatSpark]

[Quote/ Ironhold: So-- no one going to answer me? /EndQuote]

This format is so lacking to express meekness and friendship. In reality , the feelings one has as they read can not be changed in this format as things like empathy can not be expressed in a here and now moment that a real life encounter may make a person consider a point. Ironhold, you seek an answer in judgment, right? However, people have been telling you they do not judge like Winken or Phoebe Ann in post #65. And, because I name you Ironhold 7x out of 10 you are going to read this post and think "I" judge you when its furthest from intention. So, in your mind please pray to remove judgment from this text and self and imagine a dude asking another dude in sincere curiosity of who taught you to think like that? And the following book below for your consideration as if we are friends with real curiosity in non judgment . Yes, this is a big ask sir, for we are in a public setting and if I or you are proven wrong it may speak to our pride. However, here goes what I hope will edify in the words of life and what is said below talks to me too.

~ Mainline christian is part of the divided house of religions. Religion is the face of man, our nature divided. Look at all the religions in forums page here for the example. Where mankind divides is in translation of love. That is our hubris in pride that we know the face of God by creating a religion too ... Teach God.

In reality , a religion can only introduce us to the spirit, but once saved in the baptism of the Spirit the church/mankind/religion puts shackles/rules to something no man has in them ; Righteous love. Even that term love is lacking in the baptism as many know here it can not be explained.

Knowledge alone dilutes knowledge of love. However, when we combine the two in prayer to remove self (our nature) out of the way and approach the Word in "love in" to the mind; the body and soul will follow in love out in time (this equals 1 John 4:19 hooked too Romans 12:2). No preacher can teach this as our being
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 . In reality, there is a season of sequester with God and the word (Luke on sequester as Jesus sends the disciples away to sequester). That Romans verse takes a season to lose all of what mankind has taught us (momma, daddy, preacher too) and rebuild the mind in knowledge of love to the very id. Thus, the term season for every person is different and that season is Gods to shape in the time line.
A lot of people speak of context in the scripture. One would challenge that for every soul seeking is different and because our soul is different the soul needs different ways of filling. If this is truth to us of mind, body,soul & Spirit; Hebrews 4/12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And you are different from me; a cherry picked verse talks to your soul differently than mine for our lacking is different in our life experiences, correct?. What should be same though to the baptized soul is we approach the word in "knowledge of love" that is not in us alone. With that said let the love in me that is not mine reword post #62's scripture of Johns test and discern the truth of it for self .

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of Love: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of Love: Every spirit that confesseth that Love is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:19, 1 John 4:8 , 1 John 4:16
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Love is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antilove, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the "Let there be love/light " (Genesis 1:3 hook John 8:12) to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Love is the Love of God, Love dwelleth in him/her, and he/her in God.

A son, is a thought brought to physical by God, judged good. Genesis 1:3-4.
When we remove self out of the way to learn that which is not in us alone
(1 Corinthians 13:4-7 again). Terminology in the word starts to meld together in the mind sincerely seeking these terms Love/God/Light/Jesus/Christ that are legion in terminology but all share one quality, goodness. Knowledge of love from God; this becomes the state of being to the flesh Galatians 5:22-23. Not from self but through understanding of our lacking of Corinthians verses above in us. Yet, God still loves like that no matter the sin. Then us the sinner, must do the same with mankind in their sin in time~.

_______________________________________________________________
All that above the line is not taught by most churches for it is looking inside of self in sequester (Many churches/religions do not tell you this for it is revenue lost to the collection plate from the individual saved in spiritual baptism in that season of sequester that may take 10 years to revamp the mind of mankinds teachings from a child to the baptism) and understanding in the world we see. Pride in religion and/or following the teacher that introduced us to the Spirit as if they are the power . A church actually should be of good physical deeds to those that lack. A church actually can not teach Spirit but can introduce a soul to the Spirit and this is the divided house as you well see it Ironhold . Yes, its just as you imagine it , a monk. That is sequester to revamp the mind through God not a man, as if .

People will say and do say that is the road to insanity. However, I consider self quite sane through God as I see mankind flounder in all these religions of the coffer plate. These religions use knowledge "alone" to create themselves by teaching Spirit when it is written all over the Word; mankind knows not righteous love. Religion can introduce not teach. See forums page again in all the choices... Who has it right? Us and God for those that hear what love to the mind body and soul is and it stems not from us but of God. Or religion and us that is love divided in pride of group mind set of churches? Pride of religion can not be the measuring point of faith for Spirit recognizes Spirit in label of religion. Example: My claim to non denomination as a separatist point as if religion matters to Spirit. The separation comes in pride of mankind to defend said religion as if that religion holds the guru power alone . I have personally met people across all religious spectrum's ate up in Spirit which makes religious choice a non argument of who God chooses for the introduction. Met a few that were alone reading the Word and the visitation came on them. Surely you have seen this in your life ? These do not rejoice in debate and will give you your respect and will fall over backwards <-- not to insult you.

Ironhold , condemning is not of love just as people seeking violence. The term itself stems from darkness just like when the disciple says lets cut them down with our swords and Love/Jesus rebukes him, right?. These will have theirs in judgment for these seek judgment, right? Lets hook the Lords prayer to your term of condemn in part... Forgive me my transgressions as "I forgive those that transgress against me". bettercallpaul says follow no man but seek your teachings in several guru's and this is truth. Why? Because Spirit/Love recognizes Spirit/Love no matter my or your how we got there, right? Which in reality we both are aligned in Spirit no matter the religion. Is that truth?

In closing this book . I thank you Ironhold to teach myself in this platform. Yet, maybe there is a word of life not by this author but of God that talks to you through this very limited format. The flesh that writes this book does not judge no man/woman herein especial you my fellow seeker . If anger is prominent after reading this please know that was not the intention as said in the beginning. Try to look at this book in brotherly love. In hopes a word edifies... .

 

[fatboys]

[Quote/ Ironhold: So-- no one going to answer me? /EndQuote]

This format is so lacking to express meekness and friendship. In reality , the feelings one has as they read can not be changed in this format as things like empathy can not be expressed in a here and now moment that a real life encounter may make a person consider a point. Ironhold, you seek an answer in judgment, right? However, people have been telling you they do not judge like Winken or Phoebe Ann in post #65. And, because I name you Ironhold 7x out of 10 you are going to read this post and think "I" judge you when its furthest from intention. So, in your mind please pray to remove judgment from this text and self and imagine a dude asking another dude in sincere curiosity of who taught you to think like that? And the following book below for your consideration as if we are friends with real curiosity in non judgment . Yes, this is a big ask sir, for we are in a public setting and if I or you are proven wrong it may speak to our pride. However, here goes what I hope will edify in the words of life and what is said below talks to me too.

~ Mainline christian is part of the divided house of religions. Religion is the face of man, our nature divided. Look at all the religions in forums page here for the example. Where mankind divides is in translation of love. That is our hubris in pride that we know the face of God by creating a religion too ... Teach God.

In reality , a religion can only introduce us to the spirit, but once saved in the baptism of the Spirit the church/mankind/religion puts shackles/rules to something no man has in them ; Righteous love. Even that term love is lacking in the baptism as many know here it can not be explained.

Knowledge alone dilutes knowledge of love. However, when we combine the two in prayer to remove self (our nature) out of the way and approach the Word in "love in" to the mind; the body and soul will follow in love out in time (this equals 1 John 4:19 hooked too Romans 12:2). No preacher can teach this as our being
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 . In reality, there is a season of sequester with God and the word (Luke on sequester as Jesus sends the disciples away to sequester). That Romans verse takes a season to lose all of what mankind has taught us (momma, daddy, preacher too) and rebuild the mind in knowledge of love to the very id. Thus, the term season for every person is different and that season is Gods to shape in the time line.
A lot of people speak of context in the scripture. One would challenge that for every soul seeking is different and because our soul is different the soul needs different ways of filling. If this is truth to us of mind, body,soul & Spirit; Hebrews 4/12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And you are different from me; a cherry picked verse talks to your soul differently than mine for our lacking is different in our life experiences, correct?. What should be same though to the baptized soul is we approach the word in "knowledge of love" that is not in us alone. With that said let the love in me that is not mine reword post #62's scripture of Johns test and discern the truth of it for self .

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of Love: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of Love: Every spirit that confesseth that Love is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:19, 1 John 4:8 , 1 John 4:16
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Love is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antilove, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the "Let there be love/light " (Genesis 1:3 hook John 8:12) to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Love is the Love of God, Love dwelleth in him/her, and he/her in God.

A son, is a thought brought to physical by God, judged good. Genesis 1:3-4.
When we remove self out of the way to learn that which is not in us alone
(1 Corinthians 13:4-7 again). Terminology in the word starts to meld together in the mind sincerely seeking these terms Love/God/Light/Jesus/Christ that are legion in terminology but all share one quality, goodness. Knowledge of love from God; this becomes the state of being to the flesh Galatians 5:22-23. Not from self but through understanding of our lacking of Corinthians verses above in us. Yet, God still loves like that no matter the sin. Then us the sinner, must do the same with mankind in their sin in time~.

_______________________________________________________________
All that above the line is not taught by most churches for it is looking inside of self in sequester (Many churches/religions do not tell you this for it is revenue lost to the collection plate from the individual saved in spiritual baptism in that season of sequester that may take 10 years to revamp the mind of mankinds teachings from a child to the baptism) and understanding in the world we see. Pride in religion and/or following the teacher that introduced us to the Spirit as if they are the power . A church actually should be of good physical deeds to those that lack. A church actually can not teach Spirit but can introduce a soul to the Spirit and this is the divided house as you well see it Ironhold . Yes, its just as you imagine it , a monk. That is sequester to revamp the mind through God not a man, as if .

People will say and do say that is the road to insanity. However, I consider self quite sane through God as I see mankind flounder in all these religions of the coffer plate. These religions use knowledge "alone" to create themselves by teaching Spirit when it is written all over the Word; mankind knows not righteous love. Religion can introduce not teach. See forums page again in all the choices... Who has it right? Us and God for those that hear what love to the mind body and soul is and it stems not from us but of God. Or religion and us that is love divided in pride of group mind set of churches? Pride of religion can not be the measuring point of faith for Spirit recognizes Spirit in label of religion. Example: My claim to non denomination as a separatist point as if religion matters to Spirit. The separation comes in pride of mankind to defend said religion as if that religion holds the guru power alone . I have personally met people across all religious spectrum's ate up in Spirit which makes religious choice a non argument of who God chooses for the introduction. Met a few that were alone reading the Word and the visitation came on them. Surely you have seen this in your life ? These do not rejoice in debate and will give you your respect and will fall over backwards <-- not to insult you.

Ironhold , condemning is not of love just as people seeking violence. The term itself stems from darkness just like when the disciple says lets cut them down with our swords and Love/Jesus rebukes him, right?. These will have theirs in judgment for these seek judgment, right? Lets hook the Lords prayer to your term of condemn in part... Forgive me my transgressions as "I forgive those that transgress against me". bettercallpaul says follow no man but seek your teachings in several guru's and this is truth. Why? Because Spirit/Love recognizes Spirit/Love no matter my or your how we got there, right? Which in reality we both are aligned in Spirit no matter the religion. Is that truth?

In closing this book . I thank you Ironhold to teach myself in this platform. Yet, maybe there is a word of life not by this author but of God that talks to you through this very limited format. The flesh that writes this book does not judge no man/woman herein especial you my fellow seeker . If anger is prominent after reading this please know that was not the intention as said in the beginning. Try to look at this book in brotherly love. In hopes a word edifies... .

I'm sorry but huh?

 

[Ironhold]

I'm sorry but huh?

It seems like people don't want to take a stance one way or another.

...And while they dither, the mobs are gathering their pitchforks and torches.

 

[BigDaddy4]

It seems like people don't want to take a stance one way or another.

...And while they dither, the mobs are gathering their pitchforks and torches.

And you wonder why no one wants to respond to your overblown hyperbole...

 

[Ironhold]

And you wonder why no one wants to respond to your overblown hyperbole...

Remember -

You're talking to someone who has received death threats.

In fact, go to just about any LDS congregation and odds are you'll find someone else who was either threatened or knew of someone who was.

This isn't hyperbole; this is every day.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Remember -

You're talking to someone who has received death threats.

In fact, go to just about any LDS congregation and odds are you'll find someone else who was either threatened or knew of someone who was.

This isn't hyperbole; this is every day.

How can you let us forget your troublesome plight? So every day you receive death threats? And that's not hyperbole??

 

[dzheremi]

Who hasn't received death threats or worse? Just this morning I woke up to news that a terrorist plot spearheaded by ISIS to blow up the Syriac Catholic Patriarchate in Beirut was foiled by Lebanese security services. And of course there were also the recent bombings in Tanta and Alexandria in Egypt on Palm Sunday, and the attack on the bus full of pilgrims (mostly children and their families) in Omraniya shortly afterwards. That was only a month ago.

What is this supposed to mean in the context of discussions on the details of a person's, denomination's, or communion's faith? It seems as though Ironhold is attempting to use whatever has happened to him or other Mormons he knows as a pretext to deflect legitimate criticism from Mormonism by equating it with literal or threatened violence against Mormon people. That's really, really shameful and disgusting.

 

[Ironhold]

Who hasn't received death threats or worse? Just this morning I woke up to news that a terrorist plot spearheaded by ISIS to blow up the Syriac Catholic Patriarchate in Beirut was foiled by Lebanese security services. And of course there were also the recent bombings in Tanta and Alexandria in Egypt on Palm Sunday, and the attack on the bus full of pilgrims (mostly children and their families) in Omraniya shortly afterwards. That was only a month ago.

What is this supposed to mean in the context of discussions on the details of a person's, denomination's, or communion's faith? It seems as though Ironhold is attempting to use whatever has happened to him or other Mormons he knows as a pretext to deflect legitimate criticism from Mormonism by equating it with literal or threatened violence against Mormon people. That's really, really shameful and disgusting.

Remember what Jesus said about motes and beams?

That is what I'm getting at.

What I'm trying to say is "Why are you spending so much time moaning about what you think is wrong with my stuff when you've got some serious issues of your own to fix first?".

 

[BigDaddy4]

Yes, you have serious issues. Throwing out nonsensical hyperbole like

...And while they dither, the mobs are gathering their pitchforks and torches.

then hiding behind the "motes and beams" reference really doesn't help your credibility.

 

[dzheremi]

Remember what Jesus said about motes and beams?

That is what I'm getting at.

What I'm trying to say is "Why are you spending so much time moaning about what you think is wrong with my stuff when you've got some serious issues of your own to fix first?".

Who here has threatened you or your fellow Mormons in any way whatsoever?

My goodness, if people are literally sending you death threats, you'd think that you'd call the police, not use that as a pretext to harangue us all into not criticizing Mormonism anymore as though the two activities are rationally comparable at all!

 

[fatboys]

Who here has threatened you or your fellow Mormons in any way whatsoever?

My goodness, if people are literally sending you death threats, you'd think that you'd call the police, not use that as a pretext to harangue us all into not criticizing Mormonism anymore as though the two activities are rationally comparable at all!

How much bad feelings and hate would it take for you and your buddies to form a mob and kill someone? When I have been to conference and any of the padjents the church has and witness the disrespect slander yelling in my face. I believe they already have their guns and just need the okay to start shooting.

 

[Rescued One]

Who hasn't received death threats or worse? Just this morning I woke up to news that a terrorist plot spearheaded by ISIS to blow up the Syriac Catholic Patriarchate in Beirut was foiled by Lebanese security services. And of course there were also the recent bombings in Tanta and Alexandria in Egypt on Palm Sunday, and the attack on the bus full of pilgrims (mostly children and their families) in Omraniya shortly afterwards. That was only a month ago.

What is this supposed to mean in the context of discussions on the details of a person's, denomination's, or communion's faith? It seems as though Ironhold is attempting to use whatever has happened to him or other Mormons he knows as a pretext to deflect legitimate criticism from Mormonism by equating it with literal or threatened violence against Mormon people. That's really, really shameful and disgusting.

I have never physically hurt a Mormon or threatened one, nor do I ever intend to unless I need to protect another person. A few Mormons have problems with the people who show up outside conferences. I would never picket an LDS conference. On the other hand, I've been to non-Mormon church conferences where atheists think they need to picket. St. Paul didn't whine about the things that were happening to him. And people with placards can be ignored.

Not all Mormons are meek and some might want to confront those people. When is a Mormon threatened and why? I wasn't threatened.

 

[Rescued One]

How much bad feelings and hate would it take for you and your buddies to form a mob and kill someone? When I have been to conference and any of the padjents the church has and witness the disrespect slander yelling in my face. I believe they already have their guns and just need the okay to start shooting.

Why are you being so disrespectful to dzheremi?

 

[dzheremi]

How much bad feelings and hate would it take for you and your buddies to form a mob and kill someone? When I have been to conference and any of the padjents the church has and witness the disrespect slander yelling in my face. I believe they already have their guns and just need the okay to start shooting.

Why is it assumed in a reply like this that I or 'my buddies' would be the ones who would do anything to you? The Palm Sunday bombings in Alexandria and Tanta and the bus attack in Omraniya that I referenced earlier happened to my Church -- they weren't the result of people from my Church lashing out at others with violence. We don't do that.

What a strange reply. Hyperbole is one thing, but trying to pin it on other people who have nothing to do with it is just weird. Why do you think that this is appropriate to do?

You are talking about these people:

These are my people:

Please do not confuse them again so that you can feed into your persecution complex. While we do occasionally protest, we are not like the people you are talking about. See if you can spot the difference:

 

[fatboys]

Why is it assumed in a reply like this that I or 'my buddies' would be the ones who would do anything to you? The Palm Sunday bombings in Alexandria and Tanta and the bus attack in Omraniya that I referenced earlier happened to my Church -- they weren't the result of people from my Church lashing out at others with violence. We don't do that.

What a strange reply. Hyperbole is one thing, but trying to pin it on other people who have nothing to do with it is just weird. Why do you think that this is appropriate to do?

You are talking about these people:

These are my people:

Please do not confuse them again so that you can feed into your persecution complex. While we do occasionally protest, we are not like the people you are talking about. See if you can spot the difference:

I didn't say you would but what would it take for to do so