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Are there fake Christians?

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There are several conditions that might be called "Christian" and are not. That can be a result of bad counsel, where one is told that if they just believe about Jesus and are baptized they will go to heaven --that is not true to Holy Scripture. Some want to appear as a Christian for personal gain (called apostates), and may become Preachers and deceive many. Some are blind to spiritual things and call themselves "atheists", and would be a "fake" if they pretended to be a Christian. So, the truth is that one is only a true Christian (in Christ or Christ's one) by repenting of their sinful ways and receiving Jesus Christ into their heart. If they do, God --the Father, will know and will send His Spirit to dwell in that one to make him/her a child of God. That is the scriptural truth in brief.

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In all honesty, we are incapable of judging who is genuine and who isn't in their faith. That is left to God. None of us know what lies in the hearts of others, except God. Being judgemental and conceding is not the approach we must select.

What can we observe is whether we are living as Christ intended. When we see ourselves and others failing Christ, support and guidance concerning where we have we failed is required so that we may return to doing as Christ wishes us to.

That said, there are instances when we encounter people or organisations acting under the name of Christianity whose actions and teachings are wholly incompatible with Christian theology and morality.
 
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Matthew 13:24-30 (NRSV)
The Parable of Weeds among the Wheat
He put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to someone who sowed good seed in his field; but while everybody was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and then went away. So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared as well. And the slaves of the householder came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? Where, then, did these weeds come from?’ He answered, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ But he replied, ‘No; for in gathering the weeds you would uproot the wheat along with them. Let both of them grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Collect the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
 
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Are there fake Christians? By "fake" I refer to people who identify as "Christian" but are told by other "Christians" that they are not "real" Christians.
Yes

What characterizes a fake Christian?
The condition of the persons heart.
 
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Hi there :wave: welcome to the site, and Happy New Year.

Yes there are fake Christians, those who call themselves Christian but show no desire whatsoever to love God or their neighbour. You could class 'Sunday Christians' in this vein possibly as well. of course it depends on the individual.
 
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First, understand that there are certain denominations in the evangelical and radical areas of christianity who claim that everyone is a 'fake christian' who isn't a member of that particular denomination. So the term 'fake christian' has been applied to the vast majority of true christians, including myself.

But there are those who are 'fakes', which word I consider to be synonymous with the word 'frauds'. In some cases they may be attending certain churches not out of any belief, but because that church happens to be where someone else who can help their secular careers also attends. In other cases attending a church might give them the veneer of respectability which they want, or even need, in order to successfully obtain a secular goal, such as political office.

Then there are the exploiters. Those people deliberately attempt to infiltrate churches in order to use the people there as tools for promoting their own agendas. They may masquerade as conservatives, or even as fundamentalists, but they are neither. Their true purpose has nothing whatsoever to do with furthering christianity. Instead, it has to do with furthering their own desires for temporal wealth and temporal power, either for themselves,which is most often the case, or on behalf of a secular organization which they are the 'front man' for (I knew a minister who was in reality a 'front man' for the KKK).

There are 4 passages of Scripture which I have nicknamed 'the litmus test'. If a church's leadership and members accept these Scriptures, then a christian has found a church home. If they 'hedge' concerning any of these passages, we need to keep looking.

1. Romans 3:19 to 5:10

This passage tells clearly that the righteousness we need is a righteousness which God himself must give to us. We cannot obtain it through our own actions, but we can attain it through accepting God's actions on our behalf.

2. Romans 10:5-13

Those who accept Jesus as Lord and believe that God did raise him from the dead are assured of salvation. With our heart we believe and are thereby justified. With our mouth we confess our belief and are thereby saved.

3. Galatians 5:16-26

This passage I call 'The Christians Code of Conduct'. But rather than being rules and regulations, it's actually tantamount to the spiritual equivalent of a heart transplant. 'The acts of the sinful nature' are mostly emotions rather than actions. But irregardless, they all are examples of blatant narcissism.

But just as 'the acts of the sinful nature' are examples of our natural narcissistic nature, 'the fruit of the Spirit' is the new nature brought with him by the Spirit upon our having accepted the salvation that God has prepared for us. The 9 emotions listed there are the borders which determine whether our words and actions conform to what God would have us say and/or do. If we go outside those parameters, we have put our own desires ahead of what we should be doing.

4. Matthew 25:31-46

This is the 'feed the hungry' passage. It is also the passage that, along with Galatians 5:16-26, I have personally witnessed a number of churches on the radical fringe do their utmost to get around. There are churches which claim that they 'believe in' performing these acts of charity. But when it is pointed out to them that the passage doesn't tell us to 'believe in' performing those acts, but instead it tells us to actually do the charitable acts, they get very defensive.

The purpose of actually performing the acts of charity is two-fold. One aspect of it is that we are actually alleviating suffering. This in-and-of itself is a good thing. But it also 'drives home' that we are to see others as just as important to God as we are. Since their welfare is important to him, we are to see it as equally important to us. Elitism has no place in christianity.

I hope this helps you better understand us. God bless-
 
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Hello, I'm new here. Also an atheist. I'm curious to know more about the scope and sects of Christianity. My first question:

Are there fake Christians? By "fake" I refer to people who identify as "Christian" but are told by other "Christians" that they are not "real" Christians..
I take issue with your definition of fake Christian, but by that definition then I'm a fake Christian because, as a Catholic, I'm constantly told by non-Catholics that I'm not really a Christian.

A Christian is someone who has bound themselves to Christ. Christ himself said that there would be those who thought that they are in a relationship with him but who are not. So if you call those "fake Christians" then yes, they do exist. But who's who is a matter between God and each individual; it's not for me to dare pass that judgement on anyone.

It's kind of like a guy who says that he's got a particular girlfriend, and everyone believes it except her.
 
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Hello, I'm new here. Also an atheist. I'm curious to know more about the scope and sects of Christianity. My first question:

Are there fake Christians? By "fake" I refer to people who identify as "Christian" but are told by other "Christians" that they are not "real" Christians.

What characterizes a fake Christian?

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A Christian in Name Only.



That and a Mormon or Jehova's Witness based upon the fact that the theology of both groups is not Christian. They may worship a "Christ", but the "Christ" whom they worship is not the same Christ as found in Christianity.
 
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Are there fake Christians? By "fake" I refer to people who identify as "Christian" but are told by other "Christians" that they are not "real" Christians.

What other Christians have to say about it really has nothing to do with the answer! "All Judgment is given to the Son." That would be Jesus; not some mortal running around pretending to be God.

A real Christian is identifiable according to Scripture, with the primary indicator being the presence of the Holy Spirit. Since God is invisible, we really aren't usually in the best position to make that determination, though there are times when He will give us confirmation that someone is His. Christianity is far more inclusive than it is exclusive, so it's pretty rare for God to tell us a professing Christian is not His, even when it seems like it.
 
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Hello, I'm new here. Also an atheist. I'm curious to know more about the scope and sects of Christianity. My first question:

Are there fake Christians? By "fake" I refer to people who identify as "Christian" but are told by other "Christians" that they are not "real" Christians.

What characterizes a fake Christian?

Thanks

Mormonism comes to mind. But it's not isolated to that. Usually a sure sign of a "fake" christian (for lack of a better term), is that they believe that if they're a good person then they'll get into heaven (and that nothing else is required). That's a common misconception.
 
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Hello, I'm new here. Also an atheist. I'm curious to know more about the scope and sects of Christianity. My first question:

Are there fake Christians? By "fake" I refer to people who identify as "Christian" but are told by other "Christians" that they are not "real" Christians.

What characterizes a fake Christian?

Thanks

Well, this really depends. Heretics are always 'the others' and the orthodox are always 'us'. So depending on who you ask, just about every Christian will have the potential to be regarded as inauthentic by some other Christian.

None of which means that any of them is actually fake, because inauthenticity is not so easily discerned. :)
 
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Mormonism comes to mind. But it's not isolated to that. Usually a sure sign of a "fake" christian (for lack of a better term), is that they believe that if they're a good person then they'll get into heaven. That's a common misconception.

Actually, its a common misperception of other Christians to think that. In my experience, there are no Christians who make this mistake, but plenty who think that others do. It is kind of a Christian urban myth.

Speaking very generally, I am what might be called a good person. I also know that I am going to go to eternity (heaven).

If another Christian assumed that there is a causal link in my mind between the two unrelated comments, they might conclude that I am a 'fake'. In fact, the causal link goes the other way; because I am a Christian, I (the same as every other Christian) am given the grace to live a life which honours God, and therefore I would hope that the tendency to sin is somewhat reduced, although sadly not eradicated completly. Any such reduction is due to God, not to my own efforts.

Ergo, I am a good person, and I am going to heaven. But saying that does not make me, or anyone else, a fake.

^_^
 
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Actually, its a common misperception of other Christians to think that. In my experience, there are no Christians who make this mistake, but plenty who think that others do. It is kind of a Christian urban myth.

^_^

Tell that to the people I've talked to.
 
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Tell that to the people I've talked to.

Don't worry, I have met plenty of them myself. Nobody who actually thinks this way, but plenty who think 'they' do. :wave:

It is a bit daft, really. If the good people are not going to get to heaven, then what hope is there for the rest of us? Of course the good ones get in. ^_^^_^^_^
 
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Don't worry, I have met plenty of them myself. Nobody who actually thinks this way, but plenty who think 'they' do. :wave:

It is a bit daft, really. If the good people are not going to get to heaven, then what hope is there for the rest of us? Of course the good ones get in. ^_^^_^^_^

I think you misunderstand me. I meant people who actually think that to be Christian, you just have to lead a good life on Earth. And that's it.
 
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I think you misunderstand me. I meant people who actually think that to be Christian, you just have to lead a good life on Earth. And that's it.

No, I get that. I am saying, there are none.

Do you know any? I don't. It's a myth, dear DC. About as true as Germans eating babies in WWII. :)
 
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No, I get that. I am saying, there are none.

Do you know any? I don't. It's a myth, dear DC. About as true as Germans eating babies in WWII. :)

Ok, since you haven't quite gotten what I'm saying in the last 2 or 3 posts, let me spell it out a bit more clearly.

I know people who think that all they have to do on this earth is be good and they'll go to heaven. They also consider themselves Christians because of it. I have been saying I know people like that for 2 or 3 posts now. You just have chosen to ignore it, is all.
 
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