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pmh1nic said:Vance
"And, yes, abiogenesis is not evolution. The name itself "evolution" implies the area it covers."
You're just plain wrong. You can try all you like to redefine the word to suit your arguments for evolution but your definition doesn't stand the test of a little inquiry into the history and historical meaning of the word in and outside of scientific circles.
pmh1nic said:"You need to look at the theory, not the definition of the word 'outside of scientific circles."
I've looked at the theory, the whole theory, not just the portion of the theory you'd like to pideon hole as being the whole theory.
For references as to the inclusion of inorganic to organic as connect to the theory in scientific circles check the links in post 54 of this thread.
pmh1nic said:That's also putting up a wall where none exist. Biology in its most advance stages (microbiology/biochemistry) is the study of the chemistry and physics of life and the reasons for the different forms of life. That is in no way disconnected from the understanding of the chemistry and physics involved in the origins of life and how inorganic matter is or isn't transformed into living things.
pmh1nic said:Darwin didn't define evolution and the discussion of evolution (which include life springing up from inorganic matter) began before Darwin.[/font]
Uhm, I've studied Physics quite a bit, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics is a tough one to reconcile with evoltution...fragmentsofdreams said:Speaking as a physics major minoring in biology, there are no conflicts between physics and evolution.
The second law of thermodynamics allows for increased complexity. Otherwise, a single cell could never develop into a human being.
Well now Notto, hang on. I agree that this is a TINY part of the whole evolutionary process, but an important one. In keeping with the "Physics" part of this thread, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is pretty crucial, and is often casually dismissed by most evolutionists rather than embraced as demonstrable, empirical science as it should be. No strawman here...just science, unadulterated science.notto said:Buck, your latest post only barely touches on evolution. It seems to be confusing evolution with the 'theory of everything'.
Statements such as this are no longer discussing evolution or the mechaisms used in the theory and is basically a HUGE strawman of the theory and biology in general:
As Ross correctly observed, there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Yet evolutionary theory demands precisely such violations every step of the way, as the expansion of the big bang acquires information, organization, and complexity, forming itself into galaxies, stars, planets, then highly complex amino acids, proteins, DNAessentially generating greater and greater organization, complexity, and information all by itself, and all in complete contradiction of the best established natural law known to science.
If that Law states that things break down, wear out, cool off, burn up, fade, erode, dry up, and settle, then yes! That is a good argument. Where is this "higher order" that everything is supposedly aspiring to?Trying to tie evolutionary theory to the big bang and then using the least formal and highly subjective parts of the 'laws' of thermodynamics as related to information and complexity is hardly a good argument.
I just argued for two pages that there are. I will submit that there are variations in evolutionary theories...therefore, I may be missing yours Notto.There are no mechanisms used in evolutionary theory that violate the 2nd law.
Dang! I thought I was discussing these matters. Evolutionary theory describes an OPINION of the diversity of life. There are unsubstantiated claims in evolution that cause me to look elsewhere for truth (I'd mention the Bible...but Bear is looking for science discussions, so I'll stay in that context).This has been firmly understood and accepted. Your source provides no contradictions to this and no evidence that there are mechanisms in evolutionary theory that violate these laws. Evolutionary theory describes the diversity of life on this planet. Any discussion outside of this is NOT discussing evolution any longer.
We have a long way to go...I'm just getting started! I can't answer the whole of evolution in only three posts (not without the Bible anyway).The article does touch on some areas that are being investigated in biology related to the mechanisms of life in an individual. These discussions are NOT discussing the mechanisms of population evolution. They do not address mutation and natural selection, but discuss very detailed and discrete mechanisms in cells and biological life and their relation to the 2nd law, they are not referring to evolution in general or inheritence. Basically, by using the argument the way your source does, they are saying that all life violates the 2nd law and is therefor impossible.
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