Are there any scriptures where God can take away a Christian's Salvation?

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

I was wanting to know. I do a lot of studying and ask frequent questions on yahoo answers about it. Many people differ on the subject. But it seems that there is more evidence that God will keep a Christian's salvation and no works or powers can take it away because of God's promises.

It's sort of like a Christian sins every once in a while or by a habit he/she is trying to overcome. I don't think God would say, "Well, I didn't know you were gonna be stuck there. So, I'm gonna have to take your salvation away." Someone said this quote from yahoo answers.

That would be messed up. God knows that we aren't perfect and we mess up. I understand that's why Christ left us the Comforter, the Holy Spirit to guide us.

 

[achristiantech]

I was wanting to know. I do a lot of studying and ask frequent questions on yahoo answers about it. Many people differ on the subject. But it seems that there is more evidence that God will keep a Christian's salvation and no works or powers can take it away because of God's promises.

It's sort of like a Christian sins every once in a while or by a habit he/she is trying to overcome. I don't think God would say, "Well, I didn't know you were gonna be stuck there. So, I'm gonna have to take your salvation away." Someone said this quote from yahoo answers.

That would be messed up. God knows that we aren't perfect and we mess up. I understand that's why Christ left us the Comforter, the Holy Spirit to guide us.

You're referring to "Once Saved, Always Saved". This is a very controversial subject amongst Christians. I believe in OSAS, but others say that one can turn from Jesus and lose their Salvation. There are applicable verses that people tend to use to support their position, but since God is not the author of confusion (except for the non-believer), I'm of the opinion that Jesus loses no one that has accepted Him. If you expect the final word on yahoo answers or on this forum, you'll be in for a disappointment. The Holy Bible is the greatest source for the Truth, not man's spinning or wishful thinking for God's thoughts are greater than man's thoughts (or woman's). You're on the right track, stick by your principles and understanding, let no man divert you from the right path you're on.

 

[fm107]

I have to agree with the previous post.

Many scriptures back this up, here are just two:

John 10:28-29
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

John 18:9
This happened so that the words he had spoken would be fulfilled: "I have not lost one of those you gave me."

Remember this - we were predestined to become sons of God, chosen even before the foundations of the world. Those who are saved and therefore have the Holy Spirit are secure.

 

[Jeffz]

This scripture is interesting:

Hbr 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hbr 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Hbr 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hbr 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

Hbr 3:16 ¶ For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

Hbr 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

Hbr 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Hbr 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

verse 14 is our answer "if we hold the confidence we had in the beginning"
Jeffrey

 

[Johnnz]

It seems that far too many Christians are being taught about an angry God who is easily peeved by our misdemeanours. That undercuts the very foundation of the Gospel (The Good News). There is a contract god being preached: if you (pray, read scripture, evangelise etc) you will be blessed, but if you don't ... beware! But the NT is all about a covenental relationship, where God gives and we receive.

John
NZ

 

[nmoreno]

NO. If you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and acknowledge you were a sinner and needed His salvation, then you became a son/daughter of God. Can you be reborn after you are born again? NO. Even though sometimes we sin against our Heavenly Father,we are still His sons and He is still our Father.

 

[John 10:10]

Are there any scriptures where God can take away a Christian's Salvation?

Matt 6:14-15

"For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions."

I do not find any qualifications by Jesus in these words. If a Christian chooses not to forgive others for their transgressions, then they will not be forgiven by our heavenly Father for their transgressions. If anyone thinks they will enter into eternal life with Christ Jesus not having their sins forgiven, then they are sadly mistaken.

 

[Aibrean]

I was going to also reference the post before mine about forgiving sins. Also blaspheming against the HS which is an unforgivable sin.

The farmer sows the word.

Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them.

Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy.

But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—thirty, sixty or even a hundred times what was sown.

 

[achristiantech]

Matt 6:14-15

"For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions."

I do not find any qualifications by Jesus in these words. If a Christian chooses not to forgive others for their transgressions, then they will not be forgiven by our heavenly Father for their transgressions. If anyone thinks they will enter into eternal life with Christ Jesus not having their sins forgiven, then they are sadly mistaken.

I understand that Christian Advice is limited to that which Edifies, not a thread meant for debate. But I do have concern about your comparison of "forgiveness of others" and the OP posting related to the salvation issue in regards to sin. Though we should ask for forgiveness and repent, there are situations where one has overlooked a sin or forgot to forgive or died in sin. None of these are the unforgivable sin and one will not lose their Salvation as a result. Otherwise there is no assurance of salvation and we Christians are are in no better position to gain eternal life than the non-believer. It is true that sin cannot enter the presence of God, yet our acceptance of Jesus as our Savior has washed us of all sin, past, present and future. This does not mean we intentionally sin nor not ask for forgiveness. Jesus will not lose any of His (John 6:37-40).

It is of utmost importance that we not confuse fellow believers nor suggest that Jesus did not forgive us ALL our sins.

 

[salida]

A christian is saved if they walk the straight and narrow. If they turn away from God and go into the world and act like the world- practice sin and become in bondage to it-they are no longer christians, Hebrews 6:6-they crucify Christ twice-they will be damned; 1 Tim 4:1-some will turn from faith.

God knows where this line is when a christian goes back into the world. A clue to this, is that this person won't care at all if they are in the world. They won't care if they are rebelling against God. If they care, its a good sign they still have hope.

 

[Aibrean]

"God" doesn't take it away though. The person rejects the salvation offered.

 

[childofGod31]

I was wanting to know. I do a lot of studying and ask frequent questions on yahoo answers about it. Many people differ on the subject. But it seems that there is more evidence that God will keep a Christian's salvation and no works or powers can take it away because of God's promises.

It's sort of like a Christian sins every once in a while or by a habit he/she is trying to overcome. I don't think God would say, "Well, I didn't know you were gonna be stuck there. So, I'm gonna have to take your salvation away." Someone said this quote from yahoo answers.

That would be messed up. God knows that we aren't perfect and we mess up. I understand that's why Christ left us the Comforter, the Holy Spirit to guide us.

This is how I believe it:

Bible 101 • View topic - Assurance of Salvation

It's a complicated issue. But in a nutshell I believe this: a true Christian will not lose their salvation because God Himself will help them. Like you said: He does know our limitations and that's why Jesus came: to help us.

The issue is: who is a true Christian and who is not? A true Christian is the one who truly loves God. Although, sometimes it takes a while for that soul to come to a state where he/she truly loves God. But still, it's the same soul, just in different time zones. This same soul which God foreknew, who will (at some point at least) truly love God, is the one whom He will HELP.


There exists equally difficult question: are you in love or just infatuated? Try to answer it...it's hard to know before hand....

Therefore, a person who did not come to truly love God will have doubts... And the one who has arrived at that point has confidence because of His love for God.
And by the way, the person who loves God, ALSO FEELS loved by God. So perhaps that's why such a person doesn't doubt anymore...

 

[John 10:10]

It is of utmost importance that we not confuse fellow believers nor suggest that Jesus did not forgive us ALL our sins.

It is also of utmost importance that once we have been born again, we take into consideration the whole counsel of God's words, especially the word's of our Lord Jesus who tell us to forgive others their sins against us. The consequence of deliberately choosing not to forgive is very plain - our heavenly Father will not forgive our sins. Believing that our sins are somehow still covered by the blood of Jesus while we harbor unforgiveness towards others is a false salvation gospel.

 

[Johnnz]

The contradiction is quite interesting. Either Jesus made atonement for our sins or he made it conditional, whereupon he did not die for all our sins, only those for which we have forgiven others.
So, what of this scripture?

Matt 6:14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. NIV

It cannot mean a conditional atonement. Throughout the Sermon on the Mount Jesus was teaching a morality that went far deeper than the religious of that period understood. Jesus pushed the law to uncover the real nature of godly morality. Jesus was in effect telling the Jewish people, especially their leaders that they could not claim the forgiveness that accompanies God's mercy if their inner attitudes still harboured unforgiveness. This was very true in relation to the hated Romans who Jews considered justified targets for their anger. But God's kingdom was not just for Jewish people. Hatred of enemies (ie the Romans) had to be abandoned. God was now opening his kingdom to all people. All who were to be part of that must thereafter live as equally forgiven people. That's how you came to belong in God's family.

This understanding does not have the inherent contradiction I first mentioned.

Thus,while we are still working through our hurts and any associated anger we don't need to beat up on ourselves because we still feel angry even after having forgiven. Your salvation is not at stake over unproceeded anger.

John
NZ

 

[John 10:10]

Thus,while we are still working through our hurts and any associated anger we don't need to beat up on ourselves because we still feel angry even after having forgiven. Your salvation is not at stake over unproceeded anger.

I am utterly amazed at how Christians who believe in OSAS try to explain away Matt 6:14-15, saying it doesn't apply to a born again Christian.

There is a hugh difference between "feeling angry after having forgiven," and forgiving others for the sins. Forgiveness is first and formost an act of your will, not of your emotions. Emotions will follow in time, if you are willing to forgive and act upon that forgiveness.

Yes, God's kingdom is now open for all peoples who are willing to repent and enter therein by receiving God's forgiveness for our sins covered by the blood of Jesus, allowing Jesus to be Lord of our lives.

"All who were to be part of that must thereafter live as equally forgiven people," forgiving others for their sins against us. "That's how you came to belong in God's family," and how you stay in God's family.

Blessings

 

[John Park]

If you have honestly and sincerely accepted Jesus in your heart, He always be there for you. If you fall away, chances are you will be back after you have figured out that you can't go it alone. Usually after you've beaten yourself up pretty good. When it comes to the Holy Spirit, yes you can lose that forever. and that is spiritual death. Mark 3:28, 29 - 'I tell you solemnly, all men's sins will be forgiven, and all their blasphemies; but let anyone blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and he will never have forgiveness: he is guilty of an eternal sin.'

 

[Johnnz]

I am utterly amazed at how Christians who believe in OSAS try to explain away Matt 6:14-15, saying it doesn't apply to a born again Christian.

There is a hugh difference between "feeling angry after having forgiven," and forgiving others for the sins. Forgiveness is first and formost an act of your will, not of your emotions. Emotions will follow in time, if you are willing to forgive and act upon that forgiveness.

Yes, God's kingdom is now open for all peoples who are willing to repent and enter therein by receiving God's forgiveness for our sins covered by the blood of Jesus, allowing Jesus to be Lord of our lives.

"All who were to be part of that must thereafter live as equally forgiven people," forgiving others for their sins against us. "That's how you came to belong in God's family," and how you stay in God's family.

Blessings

Don't be amazed. Let Scripture speak.

Jesus established forgiveness for everyone. That's quite clear. So, even unbelievers are forgiven, although they don't appreciate that fact. Consequently it does not make sense for a Christian to harbour anger and unforgiveness against another person in the face of God's forgiveness of them through Christ's sacrifice. Thus, we can still feel angry and resentful towards someone until we work through the underlying reasons. Healing becomes mush more substantial when a person gets to the point of forgiving a person. But that never means that they are unforgiven by God until they actually get to that point. We are never in or out of God's family conditional upon our having forgiven or not forgiven someone. That is what I was trying to convey to the posters on this thread.

John
NZ

 

[John 10:10]

We are never in or out of God's family conditional upon our having forgiven or not forgiven someone. That is what I was trying to convey to the posters on this thread.

Then you are telling people that deliberately "not forgiving" someone is OK, and we can disregard the truth and consequences of Jesus' words in Matt 6:14-15.

I would not want to stand before my Lord on judgment day and try to explain to Him how I told someone it was OK for them to deliberately harbor unforgiveness in their heart towards someone.

Christ's atonement was for the sins of the whole world, but God's forgiveness for our sins must be received, and then extended to others. There is no promise of salvation for those who do not receive God's forgiveness, and then extend God's forgiveness to others.

It's as simple as that!

 

[Bridgit]

I was wanting to know. I do a lot of studying and ask frequent questions on yahoo answers about it. Many people differ on the subject. But it seems that there is more evidence that God will keep a Christian's salvation and no works or powers can take it away because of God's promises.

It's sort of like a Christian sins every once in a while or by a habit he/she is trying to overcome. I don't think God would say, "Well, I didn't know you were gonna be stuck there. So, I'm gonna have to take your salvation away." Someone said this quote from yahoo answers.

That would be messed up. God knows that we aren't perfect and we mess up. I understand that's why Christ left us the Comforter, the Holy Spirit to guide us.

The gift of eternal life is just that: eternal! Your salvation once given is eternal.

Praise God for His faithfulness!

 

[John 10:10]

Since many Christians believe God’s salvation once given can never be lost by the individual no matter what they say or do thereafter, let’s look at some other Scriptures that are very explicit in their conditions upon man. "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test?" 2 Cor 13:5 “If we deny Him, He also will deny us.” 2 Tim 2:12 “For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.” Heb 6:4-6 “How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?” Heb 10:29 All of these Scriptures, including Matt 6:14-15, speak of deliberate actions on the part of the individual toward God, and has nothing to do with those who remain faithful toward God, never doing these things. God gave these warnings to us for a reason, that we should HEED THESE WARNINGS, not tell Christians it’s OK if we slip into these sins, never repenting.