Are there any non-Catholic cases of the Stigmata?

[MrPolo]

Do stigmatas in any way confirm your faith in the "church at Rome"?

I completely disagree with you, it is truly the work of satan, the one whom can disguise himself as an angle of light.

BTW is that how you understand that piece of scripture from Peter?

My faith is not dependent upon stigmatic instances, but as others have said, authentic examples can be a sign of holiness because of its clearer reflection to the suffering on the cross. The verse from Peter would include physical sufferings as well as any Christian suffering. He does not qualify it to exclude bleeding from the hands and feet. Even many non-Catholic Christian theologians exegete the "thorn in the flesh" that Paul talked about as a physical affliction (2 Cor 12:7)

And if anyone out there knows of non-Catholic examples of the Stigmata, please share them here!

 

[Kristos]

My personal opinion is that such things indeed may be signs from God, or they could be deceptions or distractions from the devil, but that if one remains focused on Christ one should not make too much of them. The real miracle in such instances is found, not in the phenomena themselves, but, rather, in the repentance and changed lives that they inspire.

In other words, one should not allow such things to overshadow the attention that is due God and God alone, nor to allow such things to become more central to life than the Gospel.

Yeah, I think you're probably right.

 

[simonthezealot]

Yeah, I think you're probably right.

in kristos words

WORD.

 

[simonthezealot]

My faith is not dependent upon stigmatic instances, but as others have said, authentic examples can be a sign of holiness because of its clearer reflection to the suffering on the cross. The verse from Peter would include physical sufferings as well as any Christian suffering. He does not qualify it to exclude bleeding from the hands and feet. Even many non-Catholic Christian theologians exegete the "thorn in the flesh" that Paul talked about as a physical affliction (2 Cor 12:7)

And if anyone out there knows of non-Catholic examples of the Stigmata, please share them here!

Interesting scripture...
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Seems to align with Kristos view..

 

[Yarddog]

Stop trying to box me into the label of blaspheming the Spirit, it is a serious charge. I personally as I mentioned have little doubt of their origin, just because you disagree with my view does NOT entitle you to judge MY spirit of discernment.

Are you judging the Catholic Churches spirit of discernment? They have confirmed some of these cases. What would make your ability better than theirs?
Personally, I don't judge one way or the other. I only hate to see someone doing something which may be blaspheme.

Yarddog

 

[Kristos]

Are you judging the Catholic Churches spirit of discernment? They have confirmed some of these cases. What would make your ability better than theirs?
Personally, I don't judge one way or the other. I only hate to see someone doing something which may be blaspheme.

Yarddog

I think he is saying look at the fruit. Do these miracles result in piety and worship of God or do they result in people getting jacked up about the miracle itself, which takes the focus off of God. My 2 cents would say that if the fruit is real, then who cares if somebody comes as says it's not true and this and that - because it really wouldn't matter.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

And if anyone out there knows of non-Catholic examples of the Stigmata, please share them here!

It is very rare, but there are a few Protestants associated with stigmata. This list includes a few non-catholic stigmatics, including an Anglican named Jane Hunt. There also have been a few Pentecostals who claimed (displayed) stigmata, usually only once or twice. I don't have links for those. I also remember Jim Jones claimed stigmata once at Jonestown. And its possible that Ian Wilson's book, The Bleeding Mind, has a few examples of non-catholic stigmata.


LDG

 

[simonthezealot]

Are you judging the Catholic Churches spirit of discernment? They have confirmed some of these cases. What would make your ability better than theirs?
Personally, I don't judge one way or the other. I only hate to see someone doing something which may be blaspheme.

Yarddog

Any church that operates from a works-righteousness system need be compared to scripture to verify what they teach is true and in this case it doesn't align... On the other hand I welcome you to hold up what I confess against scripture to see how it aligns.

 

[simonthezealot]

I also remember Jim Jones claimed stigmata once at Jonestown.
LDG

Look and Jim Jones was a professing atheist...Satans work no doubt.

 

[Yarddog]

I think he is saying look at the fruit. Do these miracles result in piety and worship of God or do they result in people getting jacked up about the miracle itself, which takes the focus off of God. My 2 cents would say that if the fruit is real, then who cares if somebody comes as says it's not true and this and that - because it really wouldn't matter.

Each person may look at these differently, depending on their own spirit. One who sees a miracle and recalls the suffering of Christ, may draw closer to Christ. Another may see something which makes them focus too much on the person and they worship the person instead, but if the stigmata truely comes from Christ, then it cannot be bad.

My point with Simon was that we should careful about saying something comes from Satan. To question it is not wrong, we should always examine things but because some may fake their marks does not mean that all are.

Yarddog

 

[Yarddog]

Any church that operates from a works-righteousness system need be compared to scripture to verify what they teach is true and in this case it doesn't align... On the other hand I welcome you to hold up what I confess against scripture to see how it aligns.

I would be happy to examine what ever you have, from scripture, to prove that these stigmata are satanic in nature.

Yarddog

 

[simonthezealot]

Pio believed he was suffering for the salvation of sinners!He claimed that literally millions of the spirits of the dead, whom he saw with his physical eyes, came to him on their way to heaven to thank him for gaining their release from purgatory!

I don't think I need to specifically point out the blasphemy here.
http://www.ewtn.com/padrepio/saint/decree.htm

 

[simonthezealot]

We are called to judge false doctrines and deeds.
We are to REBUKE false teachers and false doctrines.
And rebuke sharply, When I read the stuff like I have on Pio I refuse to sit around and sugar coat it or mask it with carbolic acid if you will.

 

[simonthezealot]

I would be happy to examine what ever you have, from scripture, to prove that these stigmata are satanic in nature.

Yarddog

Revelation 13:13-14 "He [the beast from the land] performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.And[SIZE=+0] deceiveth[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] them that dwell[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] on[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the earth[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] by[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the means of those miracles[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] which[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] he[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] had power[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] to do[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] in the sight[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] of the beast[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]; saying[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] to them that dwell[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] on[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the earth[/SIZE][SIZE=+0], that they should make[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] an image[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] to the beast[/SIZE][SIZE=+0], which[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] had[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the wound[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] by a sword[/SIZE][SIZE=+0], and[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] did live[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]. [/SIZE]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Yarddog I would be happy to examine what ever you have, from scripture, to prove that these stigmata are satanic in nature.

Yarddog

;47750108]Revelation 13:13-14 "He [the beast from the land] performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.And[SIZE=+0] deceiveth[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] them that dwell[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] on[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the earth[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] by[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the means of those miracles[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] which[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] he[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] had power[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] to do[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] in the sight[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] of the beast[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]; saying[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] to them that dwell[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] on[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the earth[/SIZE][SIZE=+0], that they should make[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] an image[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] to the beast[/SIZE][SIZE=+0], which[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] had[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] the wound[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] by a sword[/SIZE][SIZE=+0], and[/SIZE][SIZE=+0] did live[/SIZE][SIZE=+0]. [/SIZE]

I love when people quote Revelation

 

[Yarddog]

Pio believed he was suffering for the salvation of sinners!He claimed that literally millions of the spirits of the dead, whom he saw with his physical eyes, came to him on their way to heaven to thank him for gaining their release from purgatory!

I don't think I need to specifically point out the blasphemy here.

Hello Simon,

Padre Pio lived for 50 years with his wounds. When we also examine his life, in service of our Lord Jesus Christ, we also see a humble man who always helped the poor, whether spiritual or physical. I certainly won't try and judge him.

I'm still waiting for you to provide any scripture to prove your point about stigmata though.

Yarddog

 

[simonthezealot]

Hello Simon,

Padre Pio lived for 50 years with his wounds. When we also examine his life, in service of our Lord Jesus Christ, we also see a humble man who always helped the poor, whether spiritual or physical. I certainly won't try and judge him.

I'm still waiting for you to provide any scripture to prove your point about stigmata though.

Yarddog

Funny that was not the view of John the 23rd (the good j23)

 

[sunlover1]

Pio believed he was suffering for the salvation of sinners!He claimed that literally millions of the spirits of the dead, whom he saw with his physical eyes, came to him on their way to heaven to thank him for gaining their release from purgatory!

I don't think I need to specifically point out the blasphemy here.
http://www.ewtn.com/padrepio/saint/decree.htm

That's kind of scary, he was seeing "spirits"?

Somebody was suffering alright, delusions of grandeur
maybe among other things. False humility, (which is
pride in disguise) is so common among our bros.
(Didnt know Pio, I was just saying)

When the emphasis of your life changes from being
to doing, ...and you do to be, ...
rather than do from who you are,
it can and does become performance based.
Dead works if it's me rather than Him through me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hello Simon,

Padre Pio lived for 50 years with his wounds. When we also examine his life, in service of our Lord Jesus Christ, we also see a humble man who always helped the poor, whether spiritual or physical. I certainly won't try and judge him.

I'm still waiting for you to provide any scripture to prove your point about stigmata though.

Yarddog

There is already a thread on Padre Pio over here.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=6979207&page=33
They dig Padre Pio....up. 6th March 2008, 05:03 PM

 

[Yarddog]

Funny that was not the view of John the 23rd (the good j23)

Hello Simon,
Are you going to keep dancing or can you provide the scripture for your proof?

Yarddog