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Susan · Jan 10, 2003

"'One click, you're guilty,' says an FBI agent. 'A federal offense is that easy.'"

One click guilty?

Susan · Jan 10, 2003

As one FBI agent put it, "Even my friends can't believe there's a federal offense that's so easy to commit. One click, you're guilty."

"Possession of child porn is a strict-liability offense, like possession of cocaine. Possessing it, though, does not only mean you have intentionally downloaded and stored the images on your hard drive. Under Title 18 of the US Code, the felony is committed the first time sexually explicit images of minors defined as anyone under 18 appear on your screen. If your computer is searched, even files that have been dragged to the trash or cached by your browser software are counted as evidence. Some offenders have been sent to jail for "possessing" images that only a computer-forensics technician can see."

Quiet Storm · Jan 11, 2003

I'm so upset that I'm posting when I'm not supposed to be. I just can't sleep and have nothing else to do. Felt compelled to straighten something out.

Originally posted by Susan
My in reply to Quiet Storm's and seebs's posts, I must say that the entire idea of a biological drive to engage in sexual behavior or that God made sexual desire as a part of us is flawed. 

Understand that I'm in no way implying that because males indeed DO have a sex drive that, for the most part, is naturally easier stimulated than females because it relates more to sight that they have a license or excuse to look at pornography. I personally hate it.... I even hate things like commercials/shows where females (or anyone else) are fully clothed, but are doing/saying things that are sexually suggestive. Nor did I, or seebs, say that it is impossible to overcome; on the contrary, it is very possible, as I, and many other people have overcome it. However, I was pointing out the fact that lust IS a difficult struggle amongst most males and is very difficult to overcome (note the quote about understanding through experience). I have something to say about the "we weren't created with sexual desires" quote, but I have a feeling that it'd turn into  another "procreation" debate.

 

That being said, let's PLEASE let it go here. The last thing I want to do is go back and forth about something that probably won't be resolved. Not necessarily saying that would happen, but I've seen other 30 page debates start like this, and I'm just putting the fire out before it gets started.

seebs · Jan 11, 2003

Originally posted by Susan

And in reply to Quiet Storm's and seebs's posts, I must say that the entire idea of a biological drive to engage in sexual behavior or that God made sexual desire as a part of us is flawed. I believe that even that can be overcome by focusing on God and what He wants from us rather than what we want from each other, and WHY would God make us want to sin and do disgusting, perverted things?

He wouldn't.

However, from this, and from God's decision to create us in different forms, I conclude that these things are not disgusting or perverted.

Susan · Jan 11, 2003

All right, Quiet Storm, I will let it go here. By the way, I have not seen ANY 30 page debates on procreation-only.

There was only one debate in Nondenom that was either 6 to 8 pages, and one of the disagreeing posters there acted like a two year old and got the thread closed.

So if anyone wants to debate this ever again, I would actually prefer to debate it in Spirituality, Religion, and Ethics because that problem poster avoids that forum and it has a chance of staying open somewhat longer.

KnightCross · Jan 12, 2003

This is getting a bit off track, but let me comment on the FBI story.

For one, this was printed in "Wired". Treat it as you would treat any other media...they want you to read their story.

I have been a part of many forensic and monitoring investigations on people doing what they were not supposed to be. Trust me, people don't get thrown in jail for "one-click". They get in trouble for repeated, knowledgable viewing and downloading of material. When someone comes to visit them, they usually have a dossier that contains logs and file lists. So when the accused exclaims: "Ummm...I just accidentally clicked on that!" the investigator pulls out a huge stack of paper and says "No, you were visiting this site for 32 minutes on the 11th, 27 minutes on the 12th....and here are all the files you viewed!"

Cheers and God Bless!

Hector Medina · Jan 12, 2003

I ain't.
Whos perfect?

Thats the way it goes when Adam ate a piece of some strange fruit 6,000 years ago...........

In Christ,

Hector

Mr.Cheese · Jan 13, 2003

After getting wrapped up in it and seeing what kind of a selfish jerk I was in the way that it hurt my wife, I'd say I'm completely free from any desire to look up porn.
I never ever ever want to put her through anything like that again.
Right, wrong, ok, not ok, can help it, can't help it I don't care, it's not ok to do that to your wife. I never will again.

wrench_twister · Jan 13, 2003

A simple answer to that qustion is NO!, but can we overcome it YES!

But only by the grace of God

Quiet Storm · Jan 13, 2003

Originally posted by Susan
By the way, I have not seen ANY 30 page debates on procreation-only. 

I was being sarcastic.

Susan · Jan 13, 2003

Chris†opher Paul · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Mr.Cheese
After getting wrapped up in it and seeing what kind of a selfish jerk I was in the way that it hurt my wife, I'd say I'm completely free from any desire to look up porn.
I never ever ever want to put her through anything like that again.
Right, wrong, ok, not ok, can help it, can't help it I don't care, it's not ok to do that to your wife. I never will again.

I think its hard for us to see how it effect our wives/girlfriends. For the longest time I didnt understand that it was a big deal or that it was "real," and I think that is common.

Athlon4all · Jan 14, 2003

think its hard for us to see how it effect our wives/girlfriends. For the longest time I didnt understand that it was a big deal or that it was "real," and I think that is common.

Amen. It is a huge deal. God inbtended men to lust sexually for only one woman, their wife, not strangers (porn) or the one right next to you that you're attracted to.

Susan · Jan 15, 2003

God did not even intend for that. He intended for our lives to be entirely free of sexual desire and lust.

Mr.Cheese · Jan 15, 2003

Desire and lust are two different things.

We are designed to desire a woman, but that doesn't mean it's ok to get off looking at pictures of naked women or trying to get into the pants of every woman we see.
Don't do that. Really. Don't do that.
Men, in our heroic acts of stupidity, don't stop to think about exactly what it will do to our wives. It utterly deflates them. They feel ugly, inadequate, worthless, broken, undesirable, and on and on.
You can't fix that by saying, "Gee sorry." No. You've got a disaster on your hands that is going to take a long time to straighten out.

seangoh · Jan 21, 2003

Originally posted by Athlon4all
Amen. It is a huge deal. God inbtended men to lust sexually for only one woman, their wife, not strangers (porn) or the one right next to you that you're attracted to.

oh yeah u've just made me think up a question. Is it wrong for a husband to lust for his wife? I've been thinking about this on and off and i don't think it's right to do so because if u can lust for your own wife, that means u are capable to lust for other women. So the best method is to put away all lusts.

JesusServant · Jan 21, 2003

Originally posted by s0uljah
Yep, we are biologically wired that way, in addition to the constant onslaught of imagery that we see everywhere.

I was in the Mall last night with my wife, and one the front of the Victoria's Secret store was a picture of a model that might as well have been naked.

Its just everywhere!

I just saw that this very weekend souljah and it's taking it a bit far.  I know this is commonplace in Europe and you may actually see naked women pictured in ads and store ads.  I know our country has been more restrictive in the past, but I think we can all see this coming... soon nudity, foul language and more graphic violence will be commonplace on our public TV stations, ads will become less and less discreet, and Christians with children or who just want to avoid the temptations will have to ban the TV in their homes all together and avoid public places like malls. 

Truth Hunter · Jan 23, 2003

Hey all, I'm pretty new here. Just wanted to say that I am a 17-year-old guy and I have never had a problem with porn or masturbation. God has kept me free from these prisons, and I thank Him for that. I have been very good about keeping lustful thoughts low, but it has took daily training to hate lustful thoughts and to kill them. I turned my sense of rebellion against the sinful lust that I felt was trying to control me.

 

God did not even intend for that. He intended for our lives to be entirely free of sexual desire and lust.

What do you think of such things as the Song of Solomon, Susan? It portrays the intense sexual desire of a couple for each other, and as part of the Word of God, I hold it in high esteem. If God didn't intend us to have sex (or sexual desire), why did he make it so pleasureful? Of course much sin is pleasure, but it's only because we twist originally good things. No one twisted sex, it is quite natural.

I think God created sex as a beautiful, wonderful (dare I say fun?) thing, though I wouldn't know personally. Unfortunately, many want the physical pleasure without the intense emotional and spiritual connection that comes with the territory. That was not God's plan. The process of sex is designed for commitment and intense love, not just physical pleasure. That is why sexual conquistadores are often so empty inside. Their senses are satisfied, but their hearts are torn to pieces and given to each person they've been with.

OracleX · Jan 23, 2003

There has been times where I have not struggled with this issue.  That has been when my wife and I's relationship has been on the ball AND my relationship with God has also been on the ball.

I find that when one of those slip that I struggle.  When both slip ...

For anyone who struggles, I would suggest that you get rid of whatever you use to satisfy your temptation.  Internet, satalite, books or whatever.  Either that or ask your spose to lock out channels and install internet blocking software.  I believe that this is something that men can not struggle with alone.  Everyone needs help from others with this issue.

alwaysyoung · Jan 23, 2003

Thank you for your words, Truth Hunter. You're an encouragement!

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