are the westboro baptist's true calvinists

[Confused12]

I've been pondering this for a while,Are the westboro baptists true calvinists? If not,then what scriptures debunk their views?

 

[athenken]

A quick way to answer this would be to find their statement of faith or confession.

Personally, I don't think they are, and their pastor is not teaching biblically sound doctrine.

 

[mothcorrupteth]

To my knowledge, Westboro believes that they can determine who is and who is not elect. That is not Calvinism. That is Hyper-Calvinism.

 

[athenken]

To my knowledge, Westboro believes that they can determine who is and who is not elect. That is not Calvinism. That is Hyper-Calvinism.

Is that calvinism at the speed of light?

 

[mothcorrupteth]

No, it is Calvinism on too much sugar.

 

[Confused12]

They also have signs that say "Pray for more people to die" and "Thank God for IED's". Am i correct to say that these are not scriptural teachings(Proverbs 17.5).

 

[VCViking]

They also have signs that say "Pray for more people to die" and "Thank God for IED's". Am i correct to say that these are not scriptural teachings(Proverbs 17.5).

Yes...and then some.

You would be correct to say they are not saved.

 

[athenken]

Yes...and then some.

You would be correct to say they are not saved.

Noone but God can say they are or are not saved, to try to make that kind of judgement on someone else is to invite judgement upon yourself.

 

[Confused12]

Can someone give me some more scriptures to reassure me? I came really close to leaving home and joining them and I want to make sure they are wrong.

 

[Theofane]

They also have signs that say "Pray for more people to die" and "Thank God for IED's". Am i correct to say that these are not scriptural teachings(Proverbs 17.5).

I think so. Their signs are intentionally perverse. I'd say they are sick jokes from the Devil.

 

[athenken]

Can someone give me some more scriptures to reassure me? I came really close to leaving home and joining them and I want to make sure they are wrong.

You don't necessarily just need scripture to know that they are wrong. All you have to consider what is not in the bible. God never told us to go picket funerals and start spreading hate messages about the men and women in our military. God never told us to spread hate messages about homosexuals. What God did tell us to do is love everyone, especially unbelievers. The Gospel is not a message of hate, it is a message of love. Anyone who says anything different is at the very least selling something, and at most trying to deceive you.

 

[VCViking]

Noone but God can say they are or are not saved, to try to make that kind of judgement on someone else is to invite judgement upon yourself.

Being that they hate other Christians,

1 John 2:9 "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."

1 John 2:11 "But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes."


1 John 3:10 "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."



1 John 3:14 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."



1 John 3:15 "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."


1 John 3:17 "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"


1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"



I would say and the Bible supports this, they are of the Devil.

 

[athenken]

Being that they hate other Christians,

1 John 2:9 "He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."

1 John 2:11 "But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes."


1 John 3:10 "In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."



1 John 3:14 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death."



1 John 3:15 "Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."


1 John 3:17 "But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?"


1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"



I would say and the Bible supports this, they are of the Devil.

Granted, they may be "walking in darkness", but we are to refrain from passing judgement on them lest we call judgement upon ourselves in the process.

The best we can do, since most of us will probably not come into contact with anyone from that church, is to pray that the Holy Spirit open their eyes and put it on their hearts to show love instead of hate.

Unfortunately, it is groups like this that give Christians a bad reputation, but how does it help things by hating them in turn?

 

[VCViking]

Granted, they may be "walking in darkness", but we are to refrain from passing judgement on them lest we call judgement upon ourselves in the process.

The best we can do, since most of us will probably not come into contact with anyone from that church, is to pray that the Holy Spirit open their eyes and put it on their hearts to show love instead of hate.

Unfortunately, it is groups like this that give Christians a bad reputation, but how does it help things by hating them in turn?

I agree we should pray for them but I never stated, nor implied, I hate them, for I don't.

 

[Confused12]

Being that they hate other Christians,

I've never heard them say that they hate anyone. they just claim that God does. I do think that in a way he hates the reprobate(damming them.) and in a way he loves them(common grace.). I don't know if I am correct on this,but I think it might be blasphemy to claim that God only hates people.

 

[simonpeter]

I've been pondering this for a while,Are the westboro baptists true calvinists? If not,then what scriptures debunk their views?

Yes, they are.

 

[simonpeter]

I agree we should pray for them but I never stated, nor implied, I hate them, for I don't.

Well, you did say they are of the devil....

 

[Jonathan95]

I thought that Westboro is satire/parody? Doesn't it say that somewhere, or was it Landover Baptist, or something?

 

[someguy14]

are the westboro baptist's true calvinists

If they desire.

 

[mothcorrupteth]

I thought that Westboro is satire/parody? Doesn't it say that somewhere, or was it Landover Baptist, or something?

Landover Baptist is parody (and in poor taste). Ridiculous as its people may seem at times, Westboro is serious.