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That isn’t the issue. They are required to submit to the Church’s teachings. Those who don’t are rebelling, which everyone would acknowledge to be true. The fact that some choose to disobey hardly changes what the Church has dogmatically defined.I think it would be enormously incorrect to pretend that all Catholics believe every dogma of the RCC. I grew up in the RCC; I've seen it first hand. Or are we going to pretend Catholics don't disagree on, for example, the subject of birth control?
And right now on the OBOB subforum there is a Catholic poster denying the exclusivity of salvation through Jesus Christ.That isn’t the issue. They are required to submit to the Church’s teachings. Those who don’t are rebelling, which everyone would acknowledge to be true. The fact that some choose to disobey hardly changes what the Church has dogmatically defined.
Meanwhile, Protestants can have entirely different notions of theology, Christology and so forth. That’s a completely different order of disagreement than some Catholic having his own ideas about birth control.
And right now on the OBOB subforum there is a Catholic poster denying the exclusivity of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Do "good" atheists go to heaven?
Let me guess, is Mary involved?And right now on the OBOB subforum there is a Catholic poster denying the exclusivity of salvation through Jesus Christ.
Do "good" atheists go to heaven?
Not on that thread. But in my search around the internet I found a study that had some interesting findings.Let me guess, is Mary involved?
26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. John 19:26-27I would say that's the one thing Protestants (and all others) would be foolish to abandon. It was our Lord's last wish before his mortal life ended, to give Mary to us as a mother. The last gift he had, from his human/earthly perspective.
For example, if a church or denomination claims denies the deity of Jesus Christ, Son of God (Colossians 2:9) that alone puts them not only Biblically in error but in error of 6 ecumenical early church councils. These councils (the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451, the Second Council of Constantinople in 553, the Third Council of Constantinople from 680–681) addressed Christological issues.As I am not a Protestant, it isn’t my place to demand they agree on something.
You’re so certain that there is no substantial doctrinal disagreement so why not name five doctrines that no Protestant ever or anywhere has disagrees with.
Why would Mary be involved in that?
I would say that's the one thing Protestants (and all others) would be foolish to abandon. It was our Lord's last wish before his mortal life ended, to give Mary to us as a mother. The last gift he had, from his human/earthly perspective.
No, Catholics believe those things because Vatican II's loosening.. and near apostasy.
Exhibit A (not just atheist outreach):
Now study what I said instead, since you clearly don't get it.No true Scotsman. Got it.
26 When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. John 19:26-27
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not John the Apostle.
When all they have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.Why..
Its not egotistical if its true.Come on now. You think John was so egoistical that he meant to only write about himself? lol. What about every other statement in the Bible? Was it specifically addressed to only that person, if it was not explicit? What's the point ANY of this is as the Word of God, if it's just for one person out of billions and billions and billions.
No one thought that for thousands of years.. and yet you come and say it isn't so, making the Apostle...frankly... looking like a conceited jerk.
To be clear, you’re saying all Protestants at all times in all places everywhere won’t reject the Apostles Creed or even disagree with anything the creed proclaims?
Its not egotistical if its true.
I dont see what you mean.I just ninja edited, but by this reasoning, it makes Jesus' declaration to Peter as the Rock of the Church ONLY applying to Peter.. making one compelled to agree with Catholics. And leading one astray, as the Pope does in that vid... when your faith hangs on one guy.
As much as I'm grateful for Protestant efforts to make the scriptures plain, I think the history of the Reformation is evidence in itself that scripture wasn't sufficient. All kinds of people popped out of the woodwork preaching Sola Scriptura, but ended up butting heads. I think the saddest episode is perhaps Lutherans and Anabaptists getting to the brink of actual warfare. But outside of dramatic things like that, the history of Protestantism shows just how many denominations have been made, and how many of them say "Sola Scriptura". How is scripture sufficient if this is the outcome? You tell me if this is synonymous with "sufficient".
But I'm not a Catholic either. Their idea of tradition was Aquinas. They may drop patristic names, but it's really all about Aquinas. This is where the worldview is truly crystallized. And then they dropped that somewhat in V2 anyways, so I don't even know what they stand for anymore. It's neither scripture OR tradition. And any honest Catholic would admit it. There's nothing traditional or even Christian about watching your Pope and bishops worship with Voodoo or Hindu adherents or teaching atheistic historical-criticism studies of the scriptures. It isn't just Francis. It started well before this. And it's hardly what I'd consider "sufficient" Christianity either.
βαπτίζω baptízō, bap-tid'-zo; from a derivative of G911; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:—Baptist, baptize, wash.
I dont see what you mean.
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