Are the saints taken to heaven at the rapture for the Millennium?

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John 14:1-3
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.

1 Thess 4:
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

2 Thess 2:1
Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Matt 5:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Cor 5: 1 For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Luke 23:43 : “Truly I say to you today you SHALL be with Me in Paradise.

Heb 11:14 For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. 15 And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.

Heb 12:
20 For they could not bear the command, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it will be stoned.” 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am full of fear and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,




1 Cor 15:
40 There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

== Paradise is in heaven

Luke 23:43 : “Truly I say to you today you SHALL be with Me in Paradise.

2 Cor 12:1 Boasting is necessary, though it is not beneficial; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ, who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

Rev 2:6 But you have this, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who overcomes, I will grant to eat from the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.’

Paradise has the Tree of Life - and the Tree of Life is where the Throne of God is

Rev 22:1 And he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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Christ went to heaven to prepare a place for us and promised that “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Christ has his angels collect the saints from the sky and bring them to Him as He comes to take us to heaven at the rapture.

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

He is gathering them in the sky - to take them to heaven. They got into the sky via the rapture event of 1 Thess 4:13-18
 
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Which saints?
Which Millenium?

In the Bible there is only one future millennium of 1000 years - it is mentioned in Rev 20. It starts with the resurrection and rapture event (1 Thess 4:13-18) at the 2nd coming in Rev 19 and ends with the resurrection of the wicked in Rev 20.
 
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In the Bible there is only one future millennium of 1000 years - it is mentioned in Rev 20. It starts with the resurrection and rapture event (1 Thess 4:13-18) at the 2nd coming in Rev 19 and ends with the resurrection of the wicked in Rev 20.

But there was no rapture then - or was there?
 
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But there was no rapture then - or was there?

This is the rapture --

1 Thess 4:
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

It happens at the coming of the Lord (the second coming event of Rev 19) which happens after the 7 last plagues of Rev 16.
 
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Christ went to heaven to prepare a place for us and promised that “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Christ has his angels collect the saints from the sky and bring them to Him as He comes to take us to heaven at the rapture.

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

He is gathering them in the sky - to take them to heaven. They got into the sky via the rapture event of 1 Thess 4:13-18

In Thess 4 there is no "sending His angels". The closest is the voice of an archangel. Dead will rise.. then we get changed and we go up together.. the dead in Christ and those that are alive and remain. Paul or the sweet sweet holy Spirit never even hinted at WHEN that will take place other then before the lawless one comes. Why were told to comfort each other with those words. We won't be here. That wrath is coming on the whole world.. all in it. We are promised to never see that wrath.

Yet I watch and am ready right now. This is the moment He comes. I expect Him..always watching. Seems some don't have to watch no need to..
 
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In Thess 4 there is no "sending His angels". The closest is the voice of an archangel. Dead will rise..

True but both 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Matt 24 point to the same event which they both identify as "the coming of the Lord". Matt 24 tells us it is "after the tribulation of those days" and 1 Thess 4 simply does not address that detail at all ... only that it is "future".

1 John 14:1-3 has it as "I will come again"

And Matt 24 with 1 Thess 4:13-18 address "the coming of the Lord"

John 14:2-3
2 In My Father’s house are many rooms; if that were not so, I would have told you, because I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will take you to Myself, so that where I am, there you also will be.

1 Thess 4:
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
 
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Yet I watch and am ready right now. This is the moment He comes. I expect Him..always watching. Seems some don't have to watch no need to..

No one knows what tomorrow holds today can be anyone's last day.. So we must all be ready and waiting.

Paul said not to let anyone deceive us into thinking the 2nd coming has happened because that day will not happen until after some key events take place (some of which have not yet happened even to this day).

2 Thess 2:1
Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is removed. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved

Paul says "the day of the Lord"..." the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him"

-- the coming of the Lord and the rapture event where saints are gathered Him

It does not happen until after the events Paul lists above have taken place.
 
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Hi..sorry.. well I didn't look at the group I was posting in. What I shared is just what I see and understand.. if I offended in anyway way forgive me :)
As long as you are being respectful, which you have been, most members here won’t mind you posting. We can check with the OP @BobRyan though to be sure. God bless
 
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As long as you are being respectful, which you have been, most members here won’t mind you posting. We can check with the OP @BobRyan though to be sure. God bless

I love discussion. Thanks to all for participating.
 
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Hi..sorry.. well I didn't look at the group I was posting in. What I shared is just what I see and understand.. if I offended in anyway way forgive me :)

Not a problem. I am glad you are sharing here.
 
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