i know sin is sin. God would be just to send us to hell over any sin. i just can't get over the fact that i think there is a difference in killing a little girl and stealing a muffin. i need help with this. stealing and killing are both worthy of eternal punishment, but my human mind can't stop thinking that one is way worse than the other. any help would be great.
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are some sins worse?
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Hello Skip99.
You are correct. Sin is sin. It would be perfectly just/proper for God to abandon us all to hell.
You are also correct when you say that your human mind cannot comprehend why what seems like lesser sins are not treated differently than what seems like greater sins. Our minds cannot understand this. We are not God. It must make sense to Him. It would be something to ask Him in heaven.
We do not like what we do not understand. But He is the potter, we are the clay. He doesn't have to explain or make everything clear to us. Any sin at all is an affront to God. Thank God for His mercy for not having us all receive what we deserve, eternal damnation.
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You are correct. Sin is sin. It would be perfectly just/proper for God to abandon us all to hell.
You are also correct when you say that your human mind cannot comprehend why what seems like lesser sins are not treated differently than what seems like greater sins. Our minds cannot understand this. We are not God. It must make sense to Him. It would be something to ask Him in heaven.
We do not like what we do not understand. But He is the potter, we are the clay. He doesn't have to explain or make everything clear to us. Any sin at all is an affront to God. Thank God for His mercy for not having us all receive what we deserve, eternal damnation.
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Some sins are worse then others....some sins hurt others around you greater then others...to illustrate what would hurt someone more....so see their spouse in a moment of weakness have an extra piece of cake showing a lack of self control, or coming to the knowledge that their spouse had committed adultery? So I think some sins have a far more reaching impact of hurting people as compared to others....
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Bobber points out the problem with talking about sin and what we understand about it. We look at sin from two ways, from that of God and from that of man. My original post stressed the "God" view and Bobber the "human" view. Both are necessary.
God views all and any sin as an affront to Himself and worthy of eternal death. Man views sins as to how they effect people.
We like to think that some sins are worse than others based on what we think is bad or good. Then we try to put our thoughts into God's. But we can't do that. Then we try and understand God, but we can't do that either.
So we must differentiate how we view sin from how God views sin. Then the conflicts brought up by skip99 go away.
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God views all and any sin as an affront to Himself and worthy of eternal death. Man views sins as to how they effect people.
We like to think that some sins are worse than others based on what we think is bad or good. Then we try to put our thoughts into God's. But we can't do that. Then we try and understand God, but we can't do that either.
So we must differentiate how we view sin from how God views sin. Then the conflicts brought up by skip99 go away.
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If you are talking about venial sins vs mortal sins, I would shake my head. Sin is sin. We are all sinners and deserve to goto hell. That would be God's exercise of justice. You are right with your initial post.
Yet God has mercy.
What happens to those that are not written in the book of life? They are judged according to their deeds and go to hell. Different levels of hell, based on sin? A la Dante's Inferno? To think any futher is not productive. Hell bad. Don't go there. Make no provision for the flesh, seek righteousness and that which is ultimately pleasing to God.
Do not reason, and choose what sin is "worth" it which is not.
I see the sin in you is to struggle to be an arbiter of truth, or moral excellence, just as Eve saw when they ate the apple of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That is the sin that resides in all of us, and we always try to rationalize from a human perspective examples like if Hitler accepted Christ why should he go free, if a reasonably good Jewish person that didn't accept Christ, must spend eternity in hell. Well God's standards are Holy and Just. And He is Loving and Merciful and We must trust Him in that.
Physical murder and stealing is the same in God's eyes. They both merit eternal condemnation.
If we are talking about Jesus Christ though, when he was on earth, He particularly hated the sin of hypocrisy.
And God particuarly hates the sin of pride.
Think of it this way.
Think that you are a just judge, and there was a convicted criminal that openly admitted that he murdered many people and took pleasure from it. Being a just judge could you let Him go free? Probably not... Would you sentence Him to pay a fine and do some hours of community service and have him merit His freedom? No...
How about if that convicted felon was someone you loved, like a family member. Would you let him go free, being a just judge that had to uphold the law? No...
Does it mean that you don't love that person? No...
God is the same way...
You see just because God punishes us does not negate the fact that He is loving and merciful.
God is Holy and Just and loving and merciful. If you still find it difficult to reconcile and say that sins have different degrees, it is because of the sinfulness that resides from within. Consider reading the bible in comparison to what total depravity. Though no doubt, there will be a lot of bickering in this forum you will get a better idea of what the Bible says about sin.
Yet God has mercy.
What happens to those that are not written in the book of life? They are judged according to their deeds and go to hell. Different levels of hell, based on sin? A la Dante's Inferno? To think any futher is not productive. Hell bad. Don't go there. Make no provision for the flesh, seek righteousness and that which is ultimately pleasing to God.
Do not reason, and choose what sin is "worth" it which is not.
I see the sin in you is to struggle to be an arbiter of truth, or moral excellence, just as Eve saw when they ate the apple of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That is the sin that resides in all of us, and we always try to rationalize from a human perspective examples like if Hitler accepted Christ why should he go free, if a reasonably good Jewish person that didn't accept Christ, must spend eternity in hell. Well God's standards are Holy and Just. And He is Loving and Merciful and We must trust Him in that.
Physical murder and stealing is the same in God's eyes. They both merit eternal condemnation.
If we are talking about Jesus Christ though, when he was on earth, He particularly hated the sin of hypocrisy.
And God particuarly hates the sin of pride.
Think of it this way.
Think that you are a just judge, and there was a convicted criminal that openly admitted that he murdered many people and took pleasure from it. Being a just judge could you let Him go free? Probably not... Would you sentence Him to pay a fine and do some hours of community service and have him merit His freedom? No...
How about if that convicted felon was someone you loved, like a family member. Would you let him go free, being a just judge that had to uphold the law? No...
Does it mean that you don't love that person? No...
God is the same way...
You see just because God punishes us does not negate the fact that He is loving and merciful.
God is Holy and Just and loving and merciful. If you still find it difficult to reconcile and say that sins have different degrees, it is because of the sinfulness that resides from within. Consider reading the bible in comparison to what total depravity. Though no doubt, there will be a lot of bickering in this forum you will get a better idea of what the Bible says about sin.
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In Mark 3 it talks about the unforgivable sin. That is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Surely if one were to exist on degrees that one is pretty much the worse. Whether or not it can be committed today is moot.
Mar 3:28"Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
Mar 3:29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
Mar 3:28"Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
Mar 3:29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
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The wages of sin is death. Little sins, big sins, and any other sins. Nevertheless, some are more despicable in God's sight. And in man's.
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what about the wicked that he says His soul hates? who are the wicked? surly not the sinners saved by Grace, right? or is it those who have yet to be saved?
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Thnk about it this way - neither taking the muffin nor killing are in and of themselves the sin - the sin is disobeying God.skip99 said:
Sin = willful disobedience to a known law of God
all sin has the same definition.
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