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Are Progressive Seventh-day Adventists really Adventist or something else?

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When a Hollywood couple marriage broke up they asked if the husbands religion of Scientology had affected their marriage.In a statement reported by People magazine, his wife denied that Scientology was any problem in the marriage. “Well, what do YOU believe?” the reporters wanted to knowand she answered: “A little bit of Buddhism, a little Scientology.” Then she adds: “I was raised Catholic and a big part of me is still a Catholic girl.”

And the question that has to be asked is this how can you be in diffent religions with doctrines that are incompatible: can a person live by both Scientology and Catholicism? Are those two religious philosophies compatible enough that you can be both simultaneously? A few years ago it was revealed that basketball coach Phil Jackson was embracing Buddhism and practicing some of its forms of meditation . . . and an accompanying story explored how many people, actually, who are Christians — and consider themselves to still be Christians — are “trying out” Buddhism at the same time. Can you be both a Buddhist and a Baptist? A Mormon and a Methodist?

The dictionary calls this “syncretism,” where you try to marry or bring into union two opposing philosophies or religions. Can such a dual marriage of incompatible beliefs survive? Is it possible to serve the God of Christianity and also be devoted to the beliefs of an Atheist, I think not?

It reminded me of the story in the first book of Kings in the eighteenth chapter, the twenty-first verse: “And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? This is what it seems to me that the "Progressive Seventh-day Adventists " are faced with, a “syncretism” and the one-foot-in-both-camps attitude of the Children of Israel that they faced on the top of Mount Carmel. You remember that God’s people in this story had lapsed into almost total apostasy, worshiping the false god Baal. There were priests of Baal, altars set up to Baal, “groves” where devotees of Baal could worship the so-called “rain god,” this pagan deity “riding the thunderstorm as its divine chariot,” as scholars put it. And yet it appears that many of these Israelite worshipers still were holding onto a vestige of their former faith in the God of heaven. They knelt down to Baal, but they wanted to keep a picture of Jehovah in their purse, so to speak. In other words, they wanted to have both at the same time. The worship of Baal was sensual, high-energy, exciting andover at Baal’s temple . . . well, it was quite a time. And so people thought: “I’ll keep one hand on the back doorknob of God’s tabernacle, but for a good time, I’ll be at Baal’s temple . I’ll have the best of both worlds.”

So their we have Elijah the prophet and Ahab the king, and Ahab says to Elijah:
“Art thou he that troubleth Israel?” The prophet of God comes right back and fires at the king:
“I have not made trouble for Israel. But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed Baal.”
Then Verse 19:
“Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel’s table.”

The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary describes the mountain this way:
“A range of hills about 15 miles long, with its northwestern promontory jutting out into the Mediterranean. The hills are about 550 feet high at the promontory and about 1,700 feet high at the southeast. The height affords a beautiful view of the Mediterranean, the plains of Esraelon and Sharon, and of much of Samaria.”

Apparently it was also possible, from the lower foothills, to clearly see what was happening up at the summit, so this was an ideal place for the people of Israel to gather for the great moral conflict. In Prophets and Kings, E. G. White wrote this:
“Before the drought, Mount Carmel had been a place of beauty, its streams fed from never-failing springs, and its fertile slopes covered with fair flowers and flourishing streams. But now its beauty languished under a withering curse. The altars erected to the worship of Baal and Ashtoreth stood now in leafless groves.”
So the people of Israel, knowing how badly they’ve strayed from the path of righteousness, hike up Carmel, seeing all around them the failure of their honeymoon with Baal. The wonderful rain god has completely dried up on them; for three years their prayers have gone unanswered. And remember, they still have that picture of Jehovah in their back pockets. They’ve tried, in their own clumsy, stupid way to have their cake and eat it too, to keep both sides happy. And it hasn’t worked.

The prophet Elijah gets right down to brass tacks. Verse 21 of chapter 18 is one of the great clarion calls, the flinging down of the gauntlet:
“And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow Him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.”

Essentially Elijah is saying, “How long are you folks going to waver on the line, sit on the fence, try to have it both ways, play both sides of the chess game simultaneously? Enough’s enough! Either fish or cut bait here. If Baal is God, then let’s worship him all-out. If Baal is not God, if the Lord God Jehovah is really Ruler of heaven and earth after all, then let’s stop dancing around between two opinions. . . and once and for all choose to follow the Lord God Jehovah”
 

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I found this sermon but no name, but it hits the spot with its questions:
"...What does it mean to you to be a Seventh Day Adventist Christian? Why are you an Adventist? Why not a Methodist? Or a Baptist? Or a Presbyterian? Are they not Christians? Do they not believe in the Gospel of Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus?

I see a lot of signs that as a denomination Seventh Day Adventists are beginning to suffer from an identity crisis. We seem to have lost that sense of a special calling from God. All around us clamors the voice of the ecumenical movement. Inter-denominational and non-denominational are the buzzwords of the modern Christian era. "Proselytism", on the other hand, has become an expletive. Para-church organizations like Promise Keepers have equated "sectarianism" with "racism" and have vowed to stamp out both within the church by the turn of the millennium. I believe that it is more unpopular to stand apart in the Christian world today than ever before.

This turn of events is actually very ironic since the Seventh Day Adventist Church grew out of an inter-denominational movement in the mid 1800's. These people from a variety of faith groups were drawn together by a compelling hope in the imminent return of their Savior, and by the rediscovery of Bible truths that had long been lost in the apostasy of the Middle Ages. By the mid 1860's when they formally organized as a denomination, our founders had a very distinct understanding of their calling and mission from God. Their calling was to proclaim the Three Angels' Messages to the whole world.

To those among us who are calling for a renewed focus on the Gospel, I applaud your spirit. I’ll be the first to admit that we’ve often been guilty of not giving it the emphasis it deserves. The Gospel is the foundation of the Christian experience. It is the Gospel that breaks the sinner’s heart and leads him to a relationship with Christ. The Gospel is the basis of all we hold dear. It is, in fact, the first angel's message. Revelation 14:6 tells us that the first angel had an eternal gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth.

Although the Gospel is where we must begin, it cannot be where we end. There are, after all, two more angels with two more messages. The second angel's message: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who has made all the nations drink of the wine of the passion of her immorality." Rev 14:8. Babylon is religious confusion - false systems of worship. The angel is able to say that Babylon is fallen, because truth has been revealed. Truth is the double-edged sword by which Babylon is slain.

I want to take a moment to talk about doctrines. Doctrines are not merely traditions. Doctrines are not simply Church teachings. Doctrines are not the structure and procedures outlined in our Church Manual. Doctrines are those great themes that are woven throughout the fabric of scripture. They are principles that reappear in the books of the Bible from beginning to end. They describe for us the very character of God. Every doctrine must be centered in God. Each doctrine brings to light another small facet of the nature of our Creator. Our doctrines work together to paint a complete picture of the God we know and love. If we begin to back off on our doctrines, we begin to lose sight of God. Every doctrine that is wiped away, obscures from our view another piece of the essence of our Redeemer and King. Truth dispels error. The light of God's countenance causes Babylon to fall. Abandon the truth, and Babylon will rise again...."
 
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The Bible predicts that the remnant would possess the spirit of prophecy and that the restoration of this gift would be one of the issues that Satan would war against.

And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:17 NKJV
...Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10 NKJV

God’s remnant must thus possess the spirit of prophecy in order to qualify as the remnant and we need to understand the issues involved. There is nothing more dangerous to Satan, than the clear revelation of the will of God. The way to war against it is to cast contempt upon it or to counterfeit it. It is therefore vital that we understand the Biblical criteria for the manifestation of the gift of prophecy, and that we understand the reasons why God grants this gift in the first place, so that we will not be swept away by Satan’s deceptions. So if "Progressive" Seventh-Day Adventist throw away the spirit of prophecy, how can they claim to be part of the remnant. There is no middle ground, no time out corner, or straddling of the fence, you must study the scriptures and ask God and his Holy Spirit to reveal the truth, and open your eyes that you may understand the testimonies of Jesus Christ.
 
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Its interesting you bring this up. Today at college there was a talk entitled 'Do all religions lead to God?' Of course, the Christian speaker concluded - 'no' - Jesus being the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

But near to the end, a guy in the audience asked the question "Do all Denominations lead to God??" And of course, the speaker had trouble answering.

What he basically concluded was that, if you are a Christian, no matter what denomination you are, you believe in the Son of God Jesus Christ, and His resurrection. Nothing else matters for your salvation.

The Adventist in me was itching to add.

But, if I'm honest, I didn't really disagree with him.

Jon
 
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Yes, He can save no matter the denomination, but if you believe in their false doctrine and God opens your eyes and shows you they are wrong (being a Bible reading Christian or Adventist), and the Bible shows you this and you understand it then you must choose. You are no longer held without blame if you know and understand that they are wrong and continue to stay with a obvious opposing belief, would a Atheist accept that dual belief kind of argument, dont think so. So if "Progressive" Adventists read the Bible and their eyes of understanding is openned by God and they know the truth, then they must choose, they cannot give the excuse of other denominations that they were never knew or were never shown these truths........
 
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My background is like Jacob I struggled against God and yet he still took me back and led me to his truth and blessed me, despite my unbelief and openned my eyes to his truth...

Jacob Wrestles With God

Genesis 32:22-30
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for it is daybreak."
But Jacob replied, "I will not let you go unless you bless me."

27 The man asked him, "What is your name?"
"Jacob," he answered.
28 Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [a] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."
29 Jacob said, "Please tell me your name."
But he replied, "Why do you ask my name?" Then he blessed him there. 30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, [b] saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."
 
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