Are OT laws barbaric?

[Gishin]

Is merlin one of those dangerous lunatics who gets their children killed by easily treatable diseases? Kinda like this story

First, do no harm: Prayer or medicine? | Philadelphia Daily News | 12/07/2010

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Is merlin one of those dangerous lunatics who gets their children killed by easily treatable diseases? Kinda like this story

First, do no harm: Prayer or medicine? | Philadelphia Daily News | 12/07/2010

They just weren't praying hard enough.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Is merlin
one of those dangerous lunatics who gets their children killed by easily treatable diseases?

Merlin herself needs no defense, as one of the best friends one could want,
as a teacher of the Healing-arts well respected , & having guided countless people's healings, &
further developments , for more years than people here have been alive.
--
I have wanted for quite some time to start a thread amongst christians, about some of their beliefs & practices, fundamentally making no sense, - and worse downright dangerous, by Not availing themselves & children of medical 1st.-aids, such as:
Emergencies (accidents, crime, natural disasters): obviously for (poisons, freezing, burning, hemorrhage, fractures, neuro-emergencies, strokes, high-fevers, etc. in many such traumas, one can pray & hope one gets triaged appropriately, & competently treated, to preserve life...
&
Vaccinations, in select cases: where we can not develop Immunologically...fast enough, so it makes good sense to get some rudimentary protection. - Also ABO's killing bacteria, can be a life-saver.

Prayer, even praying remotely for a 'stranger' one has not yet met, has been shown to be effective in
gaining favorable outcomes, in many people's lives. More good has been wrought by the praying, than this world is even aware of. All this true,
still for the above areas, a person (no matter the age) should be speedily assisted, so they can finish healing...

All this true, yet when christians, particularly parents of children who TRUST their parents to protect & care for them,
fail to so do - they need to be held accountable...FIRST DO NO HARM.
Would that the medical-profession as the whole, (some individual-practitioners doing well here) as well practiced: FIRST
DO NO HARM.
---
Us healers understand that, because our practices
beyond (not doing harm), are really about healing, optimal health, & many further human developments...
.

 

[Cabal]

Sk8, Merlin - get this into your heads.

There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER that we have to trust you - you are two people on the internet, asserting claims and being decidedly reluctant to provide evidence for them - something that hardly makes you stand out here.

The fact that instead of providing evidence for claims that fly in the face of all known medical knowledge you attempt to assert a reputation instead speaks volumes about how little support you really have for your beliefs.

People like you are dangerous, and I sincerely and genuinely hope you have the fewest number of "patients" possible.

For the n-th time: provide evidence for your claims.

I hope you aren't this blasé about your methods with the poor unfortunates who come to you out of desperation.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Sk8, Merlin - get this into your heads.

There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER that we have to trust you - you are two people on the internet, asserting claims and being decidedly reluctant to provide evidence for them - something that hardly makes you stand out here.

The fact that instead of providing evidence for claims that fly in the face of all known medical knowledge you attempt to assert a reputation instead speaks volumes about how little support you really have for your beliefs.

People like you are dangerous, and I sincerely and genuinely hope you have the fewest number of "patients" possible.

For the n-th time: provide evidence for your claims.

I hope you aren't this blasé about your methods with the poor unfortunates who come to you out of desperation.

I agree. You 2 need to provide evidence of your claims or people aren't going to relaly care what you have to say.

As far as I'm concerned until I see studies or a proposed mechanism for your claims they're BS. Give us something... anything or stop spreading what amounts to lies. Something I'm led to believe your religion frowns upon.

 

[Merlin]

By anyone with sense enough to know that if faith healing worked modern medicine would have never needed to be developed in the first place.

I'm not talking about faith healing.

 

[Merlin]

Is merlin one of those dangerous lunatics who gets their children killed by easily treatable diseases?

no

 

[rockaction]

I'm not talking about faith healing.

Then what are you talking about? Magic? Cause if your methods work, would you please round up all the Type I diabetics and heal their pancreases? Then publish your results.

 

[Belk]

I'm not talking about faith healing.

Does one need faith in God to employ your methods or could I employ them as an atheist with the same results?

 

[Gishin]

Merlin herself needs no defense, as one of the best friends one could want,
as a teacher of the Healing-arts well respected , & having guided countless people's healings, &
further developments , for more years than people here have been alive.
--
I have wanted for quite some time to start a thread amongst christians, about some of their beliefs & practices, fundamentally making no sense, - and worse downright dangerous, by Not availing themselves & children of medical 1st.-aids, such as:
Emergencies (accidents, crime, natural disasters): obviously for (poisons, freezing, burning, hemorrhage, fractures, neuro-emergencies, strokes, high-fevers, etc. in many such traumas, one can pray & hope one gets triaged appropriately, & competently treated, to preserve life...
&
Vaccinations, in select cases: where we can not develop Immunologically...fast enough, so it makes good sense to get some rudimentary protection. - Also ABO's killing bacteria, can be a life-saver.

Prayer, even praying remotely for a 'stranger' one has not yet met, has been shown to be effective in
gaining favorable outcomes, in many people's lives. More good has been wrought by the praying, than this world is even aware of. All this true,
still for the above areas, a person (no matter the age) should be speedily assisted, so they can finish healing...

All this true, yet when christians, particularly parents of children who TRUST their parents to protect & care for them,
fail to so do - they need to be held accountable...FIRST DO NO HARM.
Would that the medical-profession as the whole, (some individual-practitioners doing well here) as well practiced: FIRST
DO NO HARM.
---
Us healers understand that, because our practices
beyond (not doing harm), are really about healing, optimal health, & many further human developments...
.

So yes then?

 

[Gishin]

no

yes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3E9SMEDWAc&feature=related

 

[sk8Joyful]

Sk8, Merlin

There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER that we have to trust you -

Notice: the name is sk8Joyful

The objective is not trust in another person posting,
but
TRUST in your own healing abilities as by GOD you were Lovingly... created.

you are two people on the internet,
asserting claims and being decidedly reluctant to provide evidence for them - something that hardly makes you stand out here.

on the contrary, fortunately like a Bright-light,
amidst growing darkness, we do stand out

1. simply by being here , and by giving HOPE to many people,
who (via intruding beliefs & forced methods to the contrary), are now $Controlled & managed...$

That, more often than not, is how a Self-healing person, is forced to become a "patient":
by systematically & piecemeal robbing people,
of their God-blessed practices in healing-self, and therefore their ability to so do, & enjoy...

also

2. We are 2, of many such people on the Internet... many such facilitators would never post in CF, as they are not Christian;
or because they want to discuss these matters
with other people who at least have some of their healing abilities still left intact.

It's much!! easier - to converse with, & encourage people, already somewhat experienced...

Good day!

 

[sk8Joyful]

Does one need faith in God to employ your methods or
could I employ them as an atheist with the same results?

because GOD is "no respector of persons",
He created *self-healing abilities* in all, each human...

So yes, in our work, we find that more often than not,
atheists do Allow their GOD-blessed self-Healing abilities to manifest... to fruition.

God sends his beneficial Sunshine, & Rain, on us all: Christian, & atheist, alike. PRAISE God.

 

[AMarx]

1. simply by being here , and by giving HOPE to many people,
who (via intruding beliefs & forced methods to the contrary), are now $Controlled & managed...$

Why are both of you reluctant to give the secret to healing? I want to exist without medicine or seizures.

I have prayed about this as well as had it brought up at my synagogue when the prayer for healing was sung. I would still have seizures without my medicine.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Because Christianity, as a whole, tragically departed from Jesus teachings, they put GOD to shame by
teaching "FAITH, & prayer, & singing", & other such things, are necessary for healing. -
When as I just said, that is not the case, at all. - Since
Christians, suffer from the same diseases, that atheists suffer from; obviously both groups need healing

Clearly, Christianity also needs to return, & live the self-Healing way, as example. - why? so we, all, can PRAISE God

 

[AMarx]

Because Christianity, as a whole, tragically departed from Jesus teachings, they put GOD to shame... by
teaching "FAITH, & prayer, & singing", & other such things, are necessary for healing. -
When as I just said, that is not the case, at all. - Were that as successful,
why? do we have Christians, suffering from the very same diseases, that atheists suffer from.

Clearly, Christianity also needs to return, & live the self-Healing way, as example. - why? so we, all, can PRAISE God

I am not a Christian so the status of modern Christianity is of no concern to me.

 

[Cabal]

Notice: the name is sk8Joyful

The objective is not trust in another person posting,
but
TRUST in your own healing abilities as by GOD you were Lovingly... created.

Except this is still an unevidenced assertion. If this is something that everyone should be capable of, then it should be simple enough to provide evidence for such a claim. So why haven't you done so?

on the contrary, fortunately like a Bright-light,
amidst growing darkness, we do stand out

As people who are not particularly intellectually honest - which is nothing to be proud of.

1. simply by being here , and by giving HOPE to many people,
who (via intruding beliefs & forced methods to the contrary), are now $Controlled & managed...$

Hope is good, but it can only go so far. Ultimately, medical treatments not subject to the vagaries of the patient's mental state are what is needed, and this kind of vague airy-fairy nonsense is not one of those treatments.

That, more often than not, is how a Self-healing person, is forced to become a "patient":
by systematically & piecemeal robbing people,
of their God-blessed practices in healing-self, and therefore their ability to so do, & enjoy...

Again, you have not provided a shred of evidence for these alleged self-healing abilities, so please stop slandering hardworking medical professionals in the mean time.

2. We are 2, of many such people on the Internet... many such facilitators would never post in CF, as they are not Christian;
or because they want to discuss these matters
with other people who at least have some of their healing abilities still left intact.

I don't care how many of you there are - as long as this kind of guff is peddled without evidence over actual tried and tested medicine, I will repeat that I sincerely hope you and those who think like you are given as few "patients" as possible.

It's much!! easier - to converse with, & encourage people, already somewhat experienced...

So can I take it that this is your latest cop-out for not providing evidence for your assertions?

 

[sk8Joyful]

Originally Posted by Merlin

teaching someone to stop diabetesing is fairly easy
​

Just because you stopped testing for it
doesn't means it goes away.

Except, those who (from various chronic-conditions) have
allowed themselves to learn... to heal.
Obviously no need to test for a condition, that was laid to rest...

How fast, & effectively a diabetes-ing... person achieves this,
depends on both -
1. the healer's Beliefs & Skills in guiding EACH of these people,
for for each one, different approaches may be called for.
&
2. the (suffering) student's full participation. - Given these 2: teaching someone to stop diabetesing is fairly easy

 

[Gracchus]

To return to the OP: Old Testament laws are not barbaric. Barbarians live by custom and knowlege of the persons involved. Laws are the product of civilization, where people have to deal with strangers on a regular basis and there are many differing customs and mores.

 

[Merlin]

Does one need faith in God to employ your methods

no

or could I employ them as an atheist with the same results?

test it.
cut your finger. do you need faith in God to heal?
same principle.
healing is a gift to all.