Are OT laws barbaric?

[sk8Joyful]

blah, blah, blah
You can rationalize it all you want, but
your Old Testament is still a very brutal book by modern standards.

in your vain attempts at blah, blah - You might actually STOP,
just long enough -
to take notice of the fact that God/Jesus counsels us to follow HIM/God... via the NEW-testament

'modern standards' are left sorely wanting, nor are they
the least 'honorable'. And fortunately, they too shall pass. PRAISE God

 

[Gishin]

So the unchanging God changed his mind?

 

[sk8Joyful]

Partial birth abortion is banned in the US.

Passing a law-against, or banning something on paper,
stopped common career-criminals, since when??
Birth-abortions continue, like other reprehensible medical-acts. - Don't be so gullible

Therapeutic abortions
need to remain legal, because that option needs to be available to women.
And abortions in the case of rape and incest should be legal as well.

We can agree on that middle ground, right?

NO.
1.
Until you give any innocent child the RIGHT-to-live...;
you act like a hypocrite - talking about a women's option.
2.
There's absolutely nothing therapeutic, about killing an innocent child, as well you know.

so STOP deluding yourself into assuming, God, or little me,
would agree to reprehensible! (middle??) ground. - get Real.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Stuff like chemotherapy is awful and tortures the body,
but if you want the chance to live, often times it is the only answer.

Strange!! your personal beliefs: as 4 of my family-members,
died (not from their ills), but from relentless chemo poisoning...
the additional/overwhelming burdens their body did not have the strength, to fight. So they all died.
---
when I had acute lymphocytic leukemia, - I told docs: you
guys aren't even mentioned in the Bible as lesser gods,
let alone the GOD you so arrogantly think you are.
Who, in heck, gave you the right telling so many sufferers:
"unless you do it our (research-lab rat) way, you will be
dead by ..." - you have NO-right to act as a Death-agent.
God did not give you that right. Get off my body, & out! of my way."

Just for proof, I visited a few months later, & sure enough -
they couldn't find cancerous cells worth mentioning;
aside the fact that we (each of us) have cancerous cells in our body all the time, but
normally our mind gets rid of defective cells speedily, as it has in the 28 yrs. since then.

Would you rather have unmanaged disease? -

man, you're really mired... deep in disease, & unmanaged;
but your "DISease-model" is horribly outdated. And-
unless you enjoy re-arranging deck-chairs on the Titanic,

might I suggest you jump ship!, and join the Living... it's way more FUN over here...
Yes, by offering people opportunities to heal...
GOD created us each Lovingly... to heal, & these processes
should be honored; so God can continue being PRAISEd...

 

[sk8Joyful]

Last time I checked, only human vegetables got this treatment.
If
the brain is dead, the person is dead.

With all due respect, Sir -
You need to pay a lot closer Attention, to alot of things you are missing, including what someone posts.
I said: Originally Posted by sk8Joyful
3.

Don't know how to help people, exit a coma? -

no sweat, they say "we'll KILL those folks too"

​

A person, a human, is obviously in structure & function
different, so therefore NOT a vegetable.

A person, with organs (controlled by their mind) still alive - is also NOT a vegetable.

A person, who days, weeks, months, years, or decades later,
of their own choosing self-exits a coma, & continues living is further also NOT a vegetable.

A person, who has been helped by someone so skilled, to exit their coma - is further also NOT a vegetable.

All such *individuals*, who are (for lack of requisite understanding & proficiency), KILLed - also were NOT a vegetable.
They were harmfully & carelessly KILLed. -and
anybody who fails- Advocating for such innocent people,
is no! better, than docs who write the kill-orders...

 

[sk8Joyful]

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

4.
Don't know how to help people,
from emotional-agonies, guide them to their freedom?
no sweat,
we'll keep them dumbed-down, doped-up, & best of all
we'll zap them with electricity (70-400 volts and
an amperage of 200 milliamperes to 1.6 amperes 1600 milliamperes). The electric shock's given repeatedly for several seconds UNTIL its victims suffer repeated massive Grand mal seizures, & that insane madness is repeated, until the person has been destroyed, and most end-up committing suicide.

Because electroshock therapy is really common.

Too common, in fact:
ECT's practitioners ... are enjoying a resurgence:
50,000 Americans now receive ECT each year. Other recent estimates go as high as 100,000 per year.
It didn't take long after ECT was invented in 1938,
for autopsy studies revealing ECT-caused brain damage to begin appearing in medical journals.
ECT always produces an acute organic brain syndrome. This brain damage includes
cerebral hemorrhages (abnormal bleeding), edema (excessive accumulation of fluid), cortical atrophy (shrinkage of the cerebral cortex, or outer layers of the brain), dilated perivascular spaces in the brain, fibrosis (thickening and scarring), gliosis (growth of abnormal tissue), and destroyed brain tissue, not unlike a lobotomy causing permanent brain damage.

oh yeah, this thread is about BARBARIC laws...

Maybe if all doctors - who never bat an eye, while killing innocent people,
were to get a few rounds of ECT, they could be rehabilitated,
into serving as useful servants of society?

​

I'm actually really offended by this.

Anybody, whose conscience is yet intact, -
over the above victims of western medical establishment's arrogance, would -
at 1st., or 100th, or a few 1000-passes - be really Offended, I agree.
I know I was for decades working in it, and I am in good company.
But what then? -
Eventually, one must act, & the Choice is Clear:
1. either join above criminals, & suffer just consequences.
OR
2. as God/Jesus counsels: "Become converted
as a little child, for entering God's kingdom, & serve Him
with all your soul, mind , heart & strength" toward
what ends? -> to lead a person to his/her Salvation, &
to empower their self-healings & self-developments, for to PRAISE God.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Again, we're not talking of mutilating anyone or anything.

Of course we are. We're talking about an elective, unnecessary, and non-consensual slicing of a child's genitals - were this not religious, it would be abhorred in the highest terms.

It's really an enhancement. A simple procedure that provides much benefit.
...
I'm very thankful that my parents chose it for me.

[/quote]
Does that negate the regret others feel? Does it negate the pain caused by genuine mutilation of botched circumcisions? Does it negate the infection and STD transmission from mohels sucking a child's wounded penis?

The family should not be denied the right to choose it for their child.

Why do they have this right? Why is it not the right of the individual to whom the genitals belong?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Nope. And that's why the law is still in effect for those who are under the law. But for those of us who are under grace, Christ has fulfilled the law.

And where does the Bible say that Christians are no longer obliged to follow the law?

And by the way, how did we even get on the subject of the law? Weren't we talking about punishment?

No, we were talking about how the barbarism of Islamic law is carried over from its Jewish and Christian predecessors, and thus took a tangent on talking about how modern Jews and Christians ignore, in my opinion, their own religious obligation to uphold the barbarism of the OT.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

2.
There's absolutely nothing therapeutic, about killing an innocent child, as well you know.

I loved this part.

So if the mother and child are going to die if the pregnancy continues then that abortion is still not therapeutic?

I suggest you find yourself a dictionary and look up this word "therapeutic".

 

[sk8Joyful]

I actually just visited a hospice, and people that work there
do their best, to serve people who are on their last leg.

Yes, having worked in Hospice myself - I know even better
than you (as a visitor) just how much us workers there care...
but
as all who know & love me, know only too well... I'm way! too passionate! a worker FOR LIFE
(to cont. in Hospice.
For instance, how is it that: Alzheimer-people, Cancer-sufferers, Heart-sufferers,
Lung-sufferers, to speak nothing of Aids-sufferers, end-up
on their last?? leg in Hospice - IF,
as you atheists so glibly claim: Modern-medicine has it figgered-out.
Where?? are all your answers, so that Disease is history!" -
obviously, the system is failing: as HOSPICE explodes all across America). and
while Medicare loves paying for Hospice, they
DENY
helping pay for all LIFE-tests, & therapies empowering people for Optimal-health, for Optimal-wellbeing.
---
Thank! God then, many Medical-doctors, & us like-minded people, choose intently to facilitate Individual healing...

Foreign substances? Like pharmaceuticals? What...
are you going to tell the kid diagnosed with Type I diabetes mellitus?

oh you mean, the kids ,
who with various "diabetic"-labels used to drudgingly exist;
but fortunately now,
No longer need to stick their poor fingers umpteen times daily, for BS-checks.
No longer need to measure Carbohydrates, or limit their busy life, with better things to do.
No longer need to shoot-up with external insulins, or pumps
as drugs - with all the damages entailed longterm.

Heck, they kissed all that goodbye, as well they should,
once they found out, that they can actually *heal* & live their dreams, as any Happy & Healthy child.

.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

oh you mean, the kids ,
who with various "diabetic"-labels used to drudgingly exist;
but fortunately now,
No longer need to stick their poor fingers umpteen times daily, for BS-checks.
No longer need to measure Carbohydrates, or limit their busy life, with better things to do.
No longer need to shoot-up with external insulins, or pumps
as drugs - with all the damages entailed longterm.

Heck, they kissed all that goodbye, as well they should,
once they found out, that they can actually *heal* & living their dreams, as any Happy & Healthy child.

.

Who is "they"?

Who found out you can heal Diabetes? I would love to read the trials on this new form of healing. Please provide links.

Are you one of those vaccine deniers?

 

[sk8Joyful]

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

2.
There's absolutely nothing therapeutic, about
killing an innocent child, as well you know.
​

I loved this part.

So if the mother and child are going to die if the pregnancy
continues..., then that abortion is still not therapeutic?

I suggest you find yourself a dictionary and look up this word "therapeutic".

You thought - your "knowledge, was power"; but sir,
it is common knowledge
that when the if-s (no matter how many), are summarily mistaken,
the rest of that then ass.umption is just plain wrong; and
it's back to the Drawing-board... for you

I owe the likes of you NO explanation, as to my Statements: all of which are true.

by accentuating your if, it speaks to the FACT
that unless you are GOD, which most assuredly you are not, same as any medical doctor,
How??? could you ever be certain: who shall die, & who shall LIVE: You don't; you only guess... hence the if...
docs make decisions, the variables of which they remain most ignorant!! about, for every single person, every single day.


Suffice it to say, this child (of millions... others such), who
(ignorant & arrogant docs claimed):
Must be aborted, 'cause "it will spontaneously abort,
it will be horrifically malformed, & your selfishness, will cost
society too much money caring for another braindead" thing.
yeah -
This same precious child, birthed herself but 3 weeks early:
with an Apgar score of 10/10, perfectly formed & operational.
She grew normally, & developed exceptionally well, & Homeschooled... she,
(along with her other Homeschooled peers) graduated, from College,
with High-honors, no less at the age of 17.


((What was that about "therapeutic"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? abortions))



and This same precious child? - She is busily raising... her own precious children now.

and re Suggesting? -
I suggest you learn, more... about LIFE: especially
as GOD/Jesus offers it Abundantly to *you*
.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful
<removed because it was long and rambling>

Wow you really need to learn to structure your posts better. While they look nice they're almost impossible to read. Perhaps concentrate more on the grammar and the content in your posts and less on filling them fancy colours and smileys.

You ask how doctors know the mother and child will die. Experience tells them so. For example if you have HIV and leave it untreated you're not going to live. It isn't a guess. That's like saying it's a guess that the pencil is going to fall every single time you let it drop from your hand.

Under the circumstances in which the woman and the foetus will be killed if the pregnancy is allowed to continue that abortion is therapeutic by the very definition of the word therapeutic. You may not like it but that is the case.

You can't just rewrite the definitions of words and tell me that an abortion can never be therapeutic. That is the same as saying there is no such thing as a pregnancy in which the woman and foetus will die if it is allowed to continue. Unless you have some evidence to back up that claim I suggest you abandon it.

 

[rockaction]

oh you mean, the kids ,
who with various "diabetic"-labels used to drudgingly exist;
but fortunately now,
No longer need to stick their poor fingers umpteen times daily, for BS-checks.
No longer need to measure Carbohydrates, or limit their busy life, with better things to do.
No longer need to shoot-up with external insulins, or pumps
as drugs - with all the damages entailed longterm.

Heck, they kissed all that goodbye, as well they should,
once they found out, that they can actually *heal* & live their dreams, as any Happy & Healthy child.

.

People cannot live without insulin. If you are a Type I diabetic and you don't take insulin, you will go into shock and die. End of story. Because you cannot grasp that simple reality, it is pointless for me to respond to any of your posts. You anti-medicine people really irritate me.

 

[sk8Joyful]

Who is "they"?
Who found out you can heal Diabetes?

I would love to read the trials on this new form of healing. Please provide links.

Are you one of those vaccine deniers?

you claim "I love" in this, plus the last post; so how often...
daily do you bathe your soul & mind in God's love... &
seek to nurture yourself, as well as others...

You see, children & adults who allowed self
(from all sorts of chronic diseases) to heal... they too participate in such Nourishments, amongst many... others.
and
as far as your "trials": yes, diabetics too face related challenges:
1. Shall I forgive myself, for ...
2. How can I forgive my ... (any relative)
3. What can I do, so I don't allow myself to fall into those traps again?
4. Please, let's rehearse this in as many contexts as possible; so I'll get really Good at healing...
5., & 7., & 10.

Well, when you are ready, sir, for "knowledge that IS power",
you will undoubtedly find the resources, where you can learn, about the self, including you, healing...

I do wish you Well......

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

you claim "I love" in this, plus the last post; so how often...
daily do you bathe your soul & mind in God's love... &
seek to nurture yourself, as well as others...

You see, children & adults who allowed self
(from all sorts of chronic diseases) to heal... they too participate in such Nourishments, amongst many... others.
and
as far as your "trials": yes, diabetics too face related challenges:
1. Shall I forgive myself, for ...
2. How can I forgive my ... (any relative)
3. What can I do, so I don't allow myself to fall into those traps again?
4. Please, let's rehearse this in as many contexts as possible; so I'll get really Good at healing...
5., & 7., & 10.

Well, when you are ready, sir, for "knowledge that IS power",
you will undoubtedly find the resources, where you can learn, about the self, including you, healing...

I do wish you Well......

Again I ask you how a diabetic can live without the proper medication (in this case insulin) and without constant BS level checks. Please answer the question by providing what I asked for... nothing you have said here even remotely addresses anything I asked you for.

 

[silence_dogood]

Blah blah blah all you're doing here is pulling out a red herring with your self-proclaimed theological superiority. I can use big words too.

In other words, you, who do not even know the difference between the Old and New Covenants, want to lecture us on what our own religion teeaches.

Let me ask you once more. If the government of the United States reported that it had a "revelation from God" and reinstated the Old Covenant, would you agree with the policy to execute homosexuals?

The answer is still the same "no" as it was the last dozen times you asked me this.

And don't give me this "we're under a new covenant now!" junk. Dispensationalism is just one of many things people have made up to make the Bible make more sense.

So then, you don't believe that the Bible teaches that there is an Old and New Covenant?

 

[sk8Joyful]

People cannot live without insulin.

Insulin is a polypeptide (protein) hormone (steroid messenger) secreted by Langerhans islets in the pancreas,
and functions in the regulation of the metabolism of carbohydrates and fats, especially
the conversion of glucose to glycogen, which lowers the blood glucose level.

You do not need to sing to the choir here, I am versed sufficiently in these matters.

If you are a Type I diabetic and you don't take insulin,
you will go into shock and die. End of story.

Not so fast.

Funny thing: Folks who (from their Insulin-resistance) allow him/herself to heal
meaning Again, allow their own Insulin-production & output to proceed...
as necessary for Optimal-health, enjoy decidedly-Different outcomes...

Because you cannot grasp that simple reality,

Let's see:
1. Currently, you only aware of accessing a very Limited-model,
would tell -
2. Individuals, already having *self-healed*, that
they can not "grasp your simpleton-reality"?? HALLO
why would they?
When in all reality, (while you still teeter-totter) , the Healed are living light-years... beyond... get Real.

You anti-medicine people really irritate me.

Anti-medicine? - as Personal-insults, is all you've got?

Reminds one of this: It is the hard things that define character.
Some people turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, some don't turn up at all.

iow, what irritates... the Really-Intelligent is
they recognize what ALL they stand to gain; and
the Intelligent leave no stones unturned for New-awarenesses...
too they ask Polite questions
(while you only insult, empty...). Anyway, the Really-Intelligent will search, &
seek until they find... what it is they are looking for. And
the really-Intelligent also make the Best-healers... Cheers!

such that pathetic irritation - you might want to CHANGE...

 

[sk8Joyful]

Again I ask you how a diabetic can live...
without the proper medication (in this case insulin) and without constant BS level checks.
Please answer the question by providing what I asked for...

nothing you have said here even remotely addresses anything I asked you for.

Listen UP
IF you are interested in successful paradigm-shifts,
which have gotten people WHAT he or she wants...
Happiness & Health optimally: then ask questions about this.

IF in the antiquated (diabetic) SICK-model, you insist staying stuck
it's a waste of my life, your time, & everyone else's life.

So what do you want?

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Listen UP
IF you are interested in successful paradigm-shifts,
which have gotten people WHAT he or she wants...
Happiness & Health optimally, then ask questions about this.

IF in the antiquated (diabetic) SICK-model, you insist staying stuck
it's a waste of my time, your time, & everyone else's time.

So what do you want?

No you listen up. What are you talking about. You said diabetics didn't need to check their BS levels and didn't need their medication. You made a pretty absolute statement there using diabetics as an example. I'm just asking how this is possible and for you please to provide the studies that demonstrate that this is true in the case of diabetics. Maybe even just a mechanism behind how this is possible?

Why are you now trying to avoid the issue?