Are Humans more intelligent than Angels?

Invalidusername · Jan 27, 2019

ewq1938 said:
This is ultimately something only God can answer. I can only guess.

Again, this is something to ask God. Satan has been judged as I have proven. Satan also has been allowed to exist for awhile before he receives the punishment of his judgment.

However I believe in order to be judged, you must be present during trial... Correct?

So according to this, no humans have been judged yet. Would you agree to that?

So if Satan is already judged, it means he has already had his "trial" or time when God found him guilty.

One thing I have always wondered was when was hell created? Was it created immediately after Satan rebelled or was it after Satan was judged?

mmksparbud · Jan 27, 2019

JohnB445 said:
God is the ultimate intelligence, he has all the knowledge and wisdom.

The Angel's are lower, same with Humans, the fallen Angel's, and his creation.

I think the hierarchy looks like this when it comes to intelligence.

1. God, which is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 3 in 1, all fully equal but distinct. Triune.

2. Arch Angel's

3. Angel's

4. 12 Apostles

5. Mankind

6. Fallen Angel's (Worst things that thrive the Earth).

7. Athiests, and Secularists (Worst product out of mankind, these people ruin civilizations).

Did God create the fallen Angel's to be more smarter than Humans? I hope not.

Psa_8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Heb_2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Neither hierarchy nor the state of the heart dictates intelligence. Lucifer was apparently the highest in status of the angels--and may have been the most intelligent. He was beautiful and talented--however, intelligence is also not a measure of wisdom. Intelligent people can make some of the dumbest decisions--just look at Adam and Eve!

ewq1938 said:
I have never read anything about Christians judging demons. They are already judged and God is their judge not us.

1Co_6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

There is no need to judge the Holy Angels that have never fallen. This obviously refers to the fallen ones. I don't believe that we will decide the judgement, God does that, but we will see what they have done--and agree with God that what He does to them is just.

ewq1938 · Jan 27, 2019

Invalidusername said:
However I believe in order to be judged, you must be present during trial... Correct?

No that is not required. Bin Ladin was judged long before he was captured ie: "trial in absentia"

So according to this, no humans have been judged yet. Would you agree to that?

Neither of the future mass judgments of the dead/living has happened yet. One happens at the second coming, the other at the GWTJ.

So if Satan is already judged, it means he has already had his "trial" or time when God found him guilty.

Yes.

One thing I have always wondered was when was hell created? Was it created immediately after Satan rebelled or was it after Satan was judged?

I don't believe God speaks of it in scripture.

Radagast · Jan 27, 2019

JohnB445 said:
I think the hierarchy looks like this when it comes to intelligence.

1) We don't know how intelligent angels are.

2) Some people really are pretty stupid.

Invalidusername · Jan 27, 2019

ewq1938 said:
No that is not required. Bin Ladin was judged long before he was captured ie: "trial in absentia"

Neither of the future mass judgments of the dead/living has happened yet. One happens at the second coming, the other at the GWTJ.

Yes.

I don't believe God speaks of it in scripture.

The trial of Bin Laden is not necessarily how God does it.

ewq1938 · Jan 27, 2019

Invalidusername said:
The trial of Bin Laden is not necessarily how God does it.

But it isn't impossible that Satan was judged in such a manner. Maybe he was in "court". Scripture is silent on these details. All we know if he is said to have been judged, and he is punished prior to the GWTJ.

BobRyan · Jan 28, 2019

ewq1938 said:
But it isn't impossible that Satan was judged in such a manner. Maybe he was in "court". Scripture is silent on these details. All we know if he is said to have been judged, and he is punished prior to the GWTJ.

Revelation does not necessarily impose a rigid sequence on every verse. John does a lot of summarizing then adding details.

Satan does not die until after the GWTJ dictates his demise and casts him along with all the wicked into the lake of fire-

ewq1938 · Jan 28, 2019

BobRyan said:
Revelation does not necessarily impose a rigid sequence on every verse. John does a lot of summarizing then adding details.

Satan is cast into the LOF before the last throne judgment.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Invalidusername · Jan 28, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Satan is cast into the LOF before the last throne judgment.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The time frame isn't completely clear. It could happen at the same time during the GWTJ. That is his point.

ewq1938 · Jan 29, 2019

Invalidusername said:
The time frame isn't completely clear. It could happen at the same time during the GWTJ. That is his point.

No, the timing is clear from the verses. Satan is punished before the unsaved are judged and punished.

Not to mention the beast and false prophet are cast into the LOF before the thousand years even begins.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Invalidusername · Jan 29, 2019

ewq1938 said:
No, the timing is clear from the verses. Satan is punished before the unsaved are judged and punished.

Not to mention the beast and false prophet are cast into the LOF before the thousand years even begins.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

This is NOT before the thousand year reign. It is AFTER.

Revelations 20

7 And when the thousand years are ended, dSatan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out eto deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, fGog and Magog, gto gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And hthey marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded ithe camp of the saints and jthe beloved city, but kfire came down from heaven2 and consumed them, 10 and the devil lwho had deceived them was mthrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where nthe beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Satan is in the chasm during the 1000 years which is where some demons are already being held awaiting their judgment. I think you have some good ideas and neat concepts but they are flat out wrong.

ewq1938 · Jan 29, 2019

Invalidusername said:
This is NOT before the thousand year reign. It is AFTER.

Wrong. The beast and false prophet are cast into the LOF before the thousand years begins. I proved that using two passages from Rev 19 and 20.

Invalidusername · Jan 29, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Wrong. The beast and false prophet are cast into the LOF before the thousand years begins. I proved that using two passages from Rev 19 and 20.

You are clearly wrong and it's strange how you can't see it.

ewq1938 · Jan 29, 2019

Invalidusername said:
You are clearly wrong and it's strange how you can't see it.

You are still wrong and not understanding what is being discussed.

Satan is cast into the LOF before the GWTJ. That is not debatable.
Furthermore, the beast and FP are cast into the LOF even earlier than that, before the thousand years.

Both examples prove your belief wrong that nothing can be cast into the LOF until the GWTJ.

You claim I am wrong yet it is you that is wrong and can't see it.

Invalidusername · Jan 29, 2019

ewq1938 said:
You are still wrong and not understanding what is being discussed.

Satan is cast into the LOF before the GWTJ. That is not debatable.
Furthermore, the beast and FP are cast into the LOF even earlier than that, before the thousand years.

Both examples prove your belief wrong that nothing can be cast into the LOF until the GWTJ.

You claim I am wrong yet it is you that is wrong and can't see it.

Revelations 20:7"And when the thousand years are ended, dSatan will be released from his prison"

No because if he was in the LoF he would stay there. Chasm is a different punishment and it is where the extra disobedient demons are being held in chains awaiting judgement.

You are wrong.

ewq1938 · Jan 29, 2019

Invalidusername said:
Revelations 20:7"And when the thousand years are ended, dSatan will be released from his prison"

No because if he was in the LoF he would stay there. Chasm is a different punishment and it is where the extra disobedient demons are being held in chains awaiting judgement.

You are wrong.

lol, you don't even understand what we are talking about. Re-read the conversation if you want. Hopefully that will help.

Invalidusername · Jan 29, 2019

ewq1938 said:
lol, you don't even understand what we are talking about. Re-read the conversation if you want. Hopefully that will help.

I suggest YOU reread it.

Satan being cast into the lake of fire before the 1000 year reign is WRONG. Flat out WRONG.

ewq1938 · Jan 29, 2019

Invalidusername said:
I suggest YOU reread it.

Satan being cast into the lake of fire before the 1000 year reign is WRONG. Flat out WRONG.

That's called a strawman argument. Look it up.

Invalidusername · Jan 29, 2019

ewq1938 said:
That's called a strawman argument. Look it up.

You calling it a straw man argument for refuting a point YOU brought up is a straw man argument.

mmksparbud · Jan 29, 2019

ewq1938 said:
You are still wrong and not understanding what is being discussed.

Satan is cast into the LOF before the GWTJ. That is not debatable.
Furthermore, the beast and FP are cast into the LOF even earlier than that, before the thousand years.

Both examples prove your belief wrong that nothing can be cast into the LOF until the GWTJ.

You claim I am wrong yet it is you that is wrong and can't see it.

What is so difficult about
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Your fight is not with anyone but the word of God itself.

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