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ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?
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Love is number one, but have you ever looked at the other fruit of the Spirit? I see the fulfillment of the law in all of them.
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Do you believe our rest in Christ is only for 1000 years? That is not what it is talking about. It is about TRUST. Now! Not later. Today!
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You do know don't you that LGW already has his own take on Hebrews 4. You'll have to show him what you mean, though attempts to change his mind have failed in the past.
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You appear (from this post and others) to interpret Galatians 3 in what I believe is a highly unorthodox manner. More specifically, you appear to think that each one of us as individuals, even in this "New Covenant" era are are led to Christ by the tutoring of the Law of Moses. But that is clearly not what Paul is saying. Here is the relevant stuff:
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is [aa]based on law, it is no longer [ab]based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.
19 Why the Law then? It was added [ac]because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the [ad]agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not [ae]for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness [af]would indeed have been [ag]based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up [ah]everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [ai]tutor.
Paul is writing about the broad sweep of God's unfolding plan; he is giving us a history lesson, not describing the dynamics of salvation for each of us. The stuff rendered in bold highlights this.
Paul's argument is clearly historical. It's clear climax: we are no longer under the Law.
Now, I know you are forced to say - since you clearly can't deny that Paul says we are no longer under the Law - that Paul means we are no longer under the judgement / condemnation of the Law, but still are obligated to follow it as a prescriptive code.
That is a huuuuuge stretch, methinks. Paul have to be a very poor writer to say we are no longer "under a law", or worse as per Romans 7, that we no longer "serve the oldness of the letter of the Law" if we are really still obligated to follow it. No reasonably competent writer would say "you no longer serve the oldness of the Letter of the Law" and really mean "yes, in fact, you still need to follow the letter of the Law, you are just no longer condemned by it".
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Well, do you rest every day? Or do you still have to worry about someone might break into your house and steel your stuff. Do you still worry about terrorism? Do you worry about getting shot at the grocery store? Do you still have to fight the wiles of Satan?
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DEUTERONOMY.6:4-5 = 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. ..."
LEVITICUS.19:17-18 = 17 ‘You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. ..."
The commandments to love God and love your neighbor were already IN the Old Testament Law or Moses Law or God's Law. Eg Jonathan loved King David(1SAMUEL.18:1). Such love did not originate with Christians, as if there was no love on earth before Christians came along.
....... Does the fruit of the Spirit belong only to Christians.?
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As the other poster points out, I believe you are ignoring context. Check this out:
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are [h]under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,.....
This, again, is an historical argument - but now, that is in this present time of the Messiah's arrival - things have changed. There is a lot more evidence that Paul is describing a transition from an old covenant, where indeed the Law revealed sin, to a new one (no time now to get into that).
Paul uses the "but now" for a reason - when someone writes in the following format:
X, but now Y
...the "but now" is a clear signal that X is now "out of date".
Paul knows what he is doing - he is a very careful writer and the "but now" must be taken into account.
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Hello LGW.
You said in your opening post.
The text (James 2:8) does not say that the ten commandments are a royal law, LGW.
Here is what the verse states.
James 2:8
If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
The phrase, 'royal law', is singular in this sentence, and the specific law is directly quoted as, 'love your neighbor as yourself'. This verse does not even mention the ten commandments. Without referring to any other verses in the scripture, tell me LGW. What does the verse below simply state?
James 2:8
If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
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Hi Corinth, I can see Jesus in you. It is nice to talk about and share God's WORD with brothers in Christ. After all God's WORD is to help us to all have a closer walk with Jesus and I am sure this is what we all want for each other.
God bless brother corinth appreciate your thoughts here.
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Hi corinth,
Ok so I guess from this post you would like to share thoughts on HEBREWS 4? No problem lets look at the scriptures in detial, but before doing so. I just want to recap what the points made earlier for your prayerful consideration this will help our discussion in HEBREWS 3-4.
GENESIS 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, and all the host of them.
[2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
[3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <made holy the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Based on GENESIS 2:1-3, God's WORD says..
v1 ALL CREATION WAS FINISHED on the SEVENTH DAY
v2 GOD ENDED ALL the WORK which he had made and RESTED.
v3 GOD BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY
v1, 4 GOD MADE HOLY the SEVENTH DAY because he had FINISHED creation
Taking God's WORD alone it is IMPOSSIBLE that God's 4th COMMANDMENT [SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] can be a Shadow law because...
1. The SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was part of the FINISHED work of creation.
2. THERE WAS NO SIN and mankind was in perfect harmony with God and creation
3. THERE WAS NO PLAN OF SALVATION GIVEN because there was NO SIN.
4. GOD'S SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE REDEMPTION WAS NEEDED so cannot be a Shadow.
Based on the above scriptures God's Sabbath cannot be a Shadow law as there was no laws needed because there was no sin and no knowledge of Good and Evil as mankind was in perfect harmony with the creator.
Lets talk HEBREWS 3-4 in the next post...
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@corinth77777 continuing let's look now are HEBERWS 3-4
HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4. These chapters also link very nicely into PSLAMS 95 if you have some time to read it but we will not touch on PSALMS 95 in this post.
For this post let's look at HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 and within Chapter and Scripture context highlighting what the scriptures are saying...
HEBREWS 3
8, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 3
v8-10 God's people in the winderness erred and hardened their hearts not knowing God's ways
v11 Because they hardened their hearts not knowing God's way God was angry and did not let them enter HIS REST
v13 Hardness of heart comes from the deceitfulness of SIN (breaking God's LAW)
v19 God's people did not enter into God's REST because of UNBELIEF
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WHAT IS HIS (God's) REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?
HEBREWS 4
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my REST.
God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This is a direct reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 to God's REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week (please GENESIS 2:1-3)
6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his REST (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4
v1-5 God's promised rest is from BELIEVING the GOSPEL (Word of God) and links directly to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from creation in GENESIS 2:1-3
v6 None enter into God's REST without BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD
v6-7 (see Heb 3:13) If we harden out heart by SIN and UNBELIEF we cannot enter God's REST through the Gospel
v-7-8 The true rest of the Gospel of Christ is the other rest spoken of another day in David (Psalms 95)
v9 God's people (those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) have HIS SABBATH REST (God's REST) Sabbatismos
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CONCLUSION: Hebrews 3 and HEBREWS 4 is saying ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into the Gospel rest and only those who enter the Gospel rest enter into God's 4th commandment's SABBATH REST
Look forward to talking with you more Brother Corinth
HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4. These chapters also link very nicely into PSLAMS 95 if you have some time to read it but we will not touch on PSALMS 95 in this post.
For this post let's look at HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 and within Chapter and Scripture context highlighting what the scriptures are saying...
HEBREWS 3
8, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 3
v8-10 God's people in the winderness erred and hardened their hearts not knowing God's ways
v11 Because they hardened their hearts not knowing God's way God was angry and did not let them enter HIS REST
v13 Hardness of heart comes from the deceitfulness of SIN (breaking God's LAW)
v19 God's people did not enter into God's REST because of UNBELIEF
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WHAT IS HIS (God's) REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?
HEBREWS 4
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my REST.
God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This is a direct reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 to God's REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week (please GENESIS 2:1-3)
6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his REST (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
..............
KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4
v1-5 God's promised rest is from BELIEVING the GOSPEL (Word of God) and links directly to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from creation in GENESIS 2:1-3
v6 None enter into God's REST without BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD
v6-7 (see Heb 3:13) If we harden out heart by SIN and UNBELIEF we cannot enter God's REST through the Gospel
v-7-8 The true rest of the Gospel of Christ is the other rest spoken of another day in David (Psalms 95)
v9 God's people (those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) have HIS SABBATH REST (God's REST) Sabbatismos
..............
CONCLUSION: Hebrews 3 and HEBREWS 4 is saying ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into the Gospel rest and only those who enter the Gospel rest enter into God's 4th commandment's SABBATH REST
Look forward to talking with you more Brother Corinth
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Now 1stcenturylady, your a funny one
,What your really saying is that God's WORD is not true because that is what your posting against because that is what has been shared with you. Ok, let's look at the all the scripture here in detail. Now please show me what you claim I have said is wrong in your previous post above?
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GENESIS 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, and all the host of them.
[2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
[3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <made holy the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES
v1 ALL CREATION WAS FINISHED on the SEVENTH DAY
v2 GOD ENDED ALL the WORK which he had made and RESTED.
v3 GOD BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY
v1, 4 GOD MADE HOLY the SEVENTH DAY because he had FINISHED creation
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You responded to a post that said...
"God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws."
Prove your claim that what was said is not true?
Questions:
Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!
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Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.
Yep seems your disagreeing with God not me. So the question should really be, do you now believe God's WORD?
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Now let's examine your argument.
You say that all of the above is not true because of 1 PETER 1:17-20. You claim that God's 4th Commandments [the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] is a Shadow? Let's have a look at the scripture and see if what is said there makes everything posted above untrue?
1 PETER 1:17-20
[17], And if you call on the Father, who without respect of persons judges according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Yep there is a judgment coming and the standard of the judment is the 10 Commandments.
[18], For as much as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
The word redeemed for within scripture context is that we are not saved with silver or Gold, it points to v19.
[19], But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
From v18 we are not saved by silver or gold but by the precious blood of Christ which is without spot.
[20], Who truly was foreordained [GREEK is προγινώσκω and it means to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), know (before)] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Please pay attention this is the key point of the scripture you posted. The GREEK word used here for FORORDAINED προγινώσκω and it means to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), to KNOW BEFORE.
So the scripture here does not say God's plan of salvation was GIVEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. The scripture is saying that God is omniscient, he knew what was to happed before it happened. This is where you make your mistake in your interpretation of the scriptures. No one is arguing that God did not see the future and had a plan for it. Was this plan inplemented BEFORE SIN ENTERED THE WORLD? Absolutely not because mankind was in perfect harmony with God. So how can the Sabbath be a Shadow when there was NO SIN and it was a part of a FINISHED WORD?
God knew before what was going to happen is one thing but as posted earlier God's plan of salvation was never given BEFORE SIN entered the world when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and creation.
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NOW Question time again
Q. WAS the SABBATH made as part of an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!
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Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.
Q. Based on God's WORD alone is the SABBATH commandment a Shadow law if it is a part of God's 10 Commandments and was made before SIN entered into the World and BEFORE God's plan of salvation for sin was given to mankind?
A. Nope it is impossible because the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made at creation when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and all creation, there was no sin and no need of God's plan of salvation.
Now we have gone through all the scriptures posted in detail can you see your mistake?
Hope this helps
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@ everyone please forgive me my time is limited today. If I have not responded to you I will try and catch up more latter
May God bless you all as you seek him through his word
May God bless you all as you seek him through his word
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No, not at all. I went up to three men stealing my car, laughing at them. Another time the Lord had me go to the gym in the late evening, while two men broke in my apartment. I arrived home at midnight, and directed the police who were already there, which apt. was mine, as I could see them through the window. Be anxious for nothing! We got word that the company I was working for was going to do a 90% layoff. A Muslim man kept coming and asking if I was worried, and I said, not at all. The day came, and I was laid off. The very next day I started drawing unemployment for 2 years, my mortgage was paid for a year, and I started drawing early social security. I'm sorry if you can't trust God to take care of things for you. You know, worry is a sin, don't you?
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Now 1stcenturylady, your a funny one
What your really saying is that God's WORD is not true because that is what your posting against because that is what has been shared with you. Ok, let's look at the all the scripture here in detail. Now please show me what you claim I have said is wrong in your previous post above?
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GENESIS 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, and all the host of them.
[2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
[3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <made holy the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
KEY POINTS FROM THE SCRIPTURES
v1 ALL CREATION WAS FINISHED on the SEVENTH DAY
v2 GOD ENDED ALL the WORK which he had made and RESTED.
v3 GOD BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY
v1, 4 GOD MADE HOLY the SEVENTH DAY because he had FINISHED creation
..............
You responded to a post that said...
"God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made BEFORE SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow of anything as there was NO SIN when it was made and NO plan of salvation therefore no Shadow laws."
Prove your claim that what was said is not true?
Questions:
Q. When the SABBATH was made was it an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!
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Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.
Yep seems your disagreeing with God not me. So the question should really be, do you now believe God's WORD?
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Now let's examine your argument.
You say that all of the above is not true because of 1 PETER 1:17-20. You claim that God's 4th Commandments [the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] is a Shadow? Let's have a look at the scripture and see if what is said there makes everything posted above untrue?
1 PETER 1:17-20
[17], And if you call on the Father, who without respect of persons judges according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Yep there is a judgment coming and the standard of the judment is the 10 Commandments.
[18], For as much as you know that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
The word redeemed for within scripture context is that we are not saved with silver or Gold, it points to v19.
[19], But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
From v18 we are not saved by silver or gold but by the precious blood of Christ which is without spot.
[20], Who truly was foreordained [GREEK is προγινώσκω and it means to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), know (before)] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Please pay attention this is the key point of the scripture you posted. The GREEK word used here for FORORDAINED προγινώσκω and it means to know beforehand, that is, foresee: - foreknow (ordain), to KNOW BEFORE.
So the scripture here does not say God's plan of salvation was GIVEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. The scripture is saying that God is omniscient, he knew what was to happed before it happened. This is where you make your mistake in your interpretation of the scriptures. No one is arguing that God did not see the future and had a plan for it. Was this plan inplemented BEFORE SIN ENTERED THE WORLD? Absolutely not because mankind was in perfect harmony with God. So how can the Sabbath be a Shadow when there was NO SIN and it was a part of a FINISHED WORD?
God knew before what was going to happen is one thing but as posted earlier God's plan of salvation was never given BEFORE SIN entered the world when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and creation.
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NOW Question time again
Q. WAS the SABBATH made as part of an UNFINISHED WORK OR A FINISHED WORK?
A. v2 FINISHED WORK. If it is it part of a FINISHED WORK then it cannot be a SHADOW OF ANYTHING because it is a FINISHED WORK!
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Q. Was the Sabbath made BEFORE or AFTER SIN entered into the WORLD?
A. GENESIS 3 = THE SABBATH WAS MADE BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD. If it was made BEFORE SIN in a PERFECT CREATION in Harmony with GOD BEFORE SIN then it is not part of the PLAN of SALVATION so not a SHADOW of ANYTHING THEREFORE cannot be done away with and is not a part of something more then what it represents and that is God's as the CREATOR and GOD's CREATION.
Q. Based on God's WORD alone is the SABBATH commandment a Shadow law if it is a part of God's 10 Commandments and was made before SIN entered into the World and BEFORE God's plan of salvation for sin was given to mankind?
A. Nope it is impossible because the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made at creation when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and all creation, there was no sin and no need of God's plan of salvation.
Now we have gone through all the scriptures posted in detail can you see your mistake?
Hope this helps
The Sabbath was a foreshadow of Jesus, like it or not.
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Ask yourself - was God tired?
You are so hung up on the physical you miss the spiritual entirely. Guess who else finished their work? Jesus.
Hebrews 4:
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
The rest being spoken of here has nothing to do with physical rest. Keeping the Sabbath day was a tutorial of our trusting God. God always used physical things to teach spiritual matters, same as He did with unclean meats, and why they are no longer unclean (another letter of the law mistake Adventists make). God wasn't physically tired. It is the same as Jesus' command to be anxious for nothing. The Jews kept the Sabbath Day, but God says, they did not enter into His rest, so the day is not what is meant here. Besides, He is designating another day than the 7th day, but it is still not a physical day. It pointed to God's grace.
16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
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