Are Divorced Catholics going to Hell ?

[eastcoast_bsc]

I just thought I would change the topic from all the Gay bashing and turn the tables a bit. Since scripture says that those who divorce and remarry are commiting adultry, and that the only reason for divorce, is infidelity. (except if your a Kennedy)

Does this mean that all those Cathilics who are divorced, and or divorced and remarried going to Hell ? Thats the closest I could fing to a Devil face.

 

[Foundthelight]

Divorced, no. Remarried without an annulment? The Church has spoken on that. It comes down to the Church's power to bind and loose. That is something I don't want to test.

 

[stone]

I'd say the answer is similar to the other thread floating around here. Jesus decides. Could be heaven, hell or purgatory. We can pray, is all.

 

[Eucharisted]

Let me tell you what I told Lady Bug:

Sin leads to Hell. It is justice that reprobates suffer for their wickedness.
However, God is not only infinitely just but also infinitely merciful.
He wills us to enter Heaven, He created us for Heaven, so even when all hope seems lost - even when the sinner is at their last breath - He is still there as the soul's Savior, the Gate of Mercy is wide open.
Therefore, and because God is omnipresent and omniscient, we can and must pray for a soul's salvation, trusting in the Goodness of God. He is just but not cruel, a Lord with more mercy and love for even the worst sinner than even Mary herself has, hers being an atom compared to a mountain.

 

[Eucharisted]

Divine Mercy In My Soul:

I often attend upon the dying and through entreaties obtain for them trust in God's mercy, and I implore God for an abundance of divine grace , which is always victorious. God's mercy sometimes touches the sinner at the last moment in a wondrous and mysterious way. Outwardly, it seems as if everything were lost, but it is not so. The soul, illumined by a ray of God's powerful final grace, turns to God in the last moment with such a power of love that, in an instant, it receives from God forgiveness of sin and punishment , while outwardly it shows no sign either of repentance or of contrition, because souls [at that stage] no longer react to external things. Oh, how beyond comprehension is God's mercy! But- horror -there are also souls who voluntarily and consciously reject and scorn this grace! Although a soul is at the point of death, the merciful God gives the soul that interior vivid moment, so that if the soul is willing, it has the possibility of returning to God. But sometimes, the obduracy in souls is so great that consciously they choose hell; they make useless all the prayers that other souls offer to God for them and even the efforts of God Himself..(1698)

 

[Lady Bug]

To the OP: do you like to bait the Catholic Church just for the heck of it? Do you even care to learn anything about the faith without the predetermination to buck it?

 

[Athanasias]

I just thought I would change the topic from all the Gay bashing and turn the tables a bit. Since scripture says that those who divorce and remarry are commiting adultry, and that the only reason for divorce, is infidelity. (except if your a Kennedy)

Does this mean that all those Cathilics who are divorced, and or divorced and remarried going to Hell ? Thats the closest I could fing to a Devil face.

It depends. Have they received a annulment? Have they been to confession? Have they remarried and not gotten a annulment(if that is the case they are living in mortal sin and are in danger of hell if they don't change there ways go to confession and get a annulment because they would be living in adulterous lifestyle according to Jesus and adultery can send you to hell Matt 5)

 

[AMDG]

the only reason for divorce, is infidelity.

Actually, I think the word is something like porneia which some have figured to mean sexual misconduct or infidelity.

As other posters have said, the problem isn't just civil divorce, it's marrying someone else without a Decree of Nullity. While that is objectively wrong, about the condemning to hell thing, that's not our call. God does the judging.

 

[JoabAnias]

The Lord never approves of divorce for infidelity.

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

Yikes...I'm divorced, and in the process of getting my marriage annulled. I've also remarried and have two kids. I had left the Catholic church for a while, and the annulment is part of the process of my return. Hopefully, I'm not in too much trouble while I wait. Then again, the forecast here was -52 for last night, although we didn't quite hit it, so someplace warm doesn't sound too bad

 

[Steve "Sonic" Smith]

Divorced, no. Remarried without an annulment? The Church has spoken on that. It comes down to the Church's power to bind and loose. That is something I don't want to test.

You still don't get it.

1) You don't get remarried if you get an annulment, an annulment is a determination that a marriage never occurred in the first place.

2) The chruch does not have the power to bind and loose on marriage. Assuming a legit marriage occurred, the chruch can't issue an annulment.

An annulment is not a "Catholic divorce"

 

[Fantine]

You still don't get it.

1) You don't get remarried if you get an annulment, an annulment is a determination that a marriage never occurred in the first place.

2) The chruch does not have the power to bind and loose on marriage. Assuming a legit marriage occurred, the chruch can't issue an annulment.

An annulment is not a "Catholic divorce"

The term isn't "legit." It's "sacramental."

That's why all those whom the conservatives term "poorly catechized" don't really have any idea what the "sacrament" of marriage means. If people married young, they may have not been religious at the time of the ceremony. They might have chosen a Catholic wedding because the Church would look good in the photo album, or because of parental wishes.

There was a movie years ago called "Divorce Italian Style." Divorce was illegal in Italy, but annulment wasn't. And so a month before the wedding, bride and groom would send a postcard to a friend stating they never intended to have children. The friend would return the cards to them. They would put them into a safe deposit box to be used as evidence in case they ever wanted an annulment. I think it was a Fellini movie...or maybe Carlo Ponti.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

To the OP: do you like to bait the Catholic Church just for the heck of it? Do you even care to learn anything about the faith without the predetermination to buck it?

I was born and raised in the Catholic Church Mis Lady Bug, but what I find disturbing, is that we can have an endless parade of Posts excoriating Homosexuals , and everyone seems to think they are cute.

It seems that everytime someone here feels bad about themselves, that they throw up some post, that is totally bereft of any creativity, expounding on the evils of Homosexuals, and then out of the other side of their mouths, tell Gays that they are welcome into the church, but yet they must accept YOUR label that they are DISORDERED.

So if Gays are disordered, so aren't all the whitebread sanctimonious Catholics, who look at divorce as if it is just another life decision.

 

[CruciFixed]

Anger anyone? That's strange that you don't want Catholics to talk about homosexuals and then you throw around the word homosexual like what 5 times already? Then what? You're going to expect NONE of the practicing Catholics who accept the Church and the teachings exactly as they are to not come on here and defend her? I'm sorry that you are so insecure that you have to come on here just to stir controversy and claim that Catholics are gay bashers but what the Church teaches is TRUTH because Jesus promised His Church the Holy Spirit, right? So if you don't like what the Church teaches then take it up with God. You started this thread under the cloak of bringing forth the sin of adultery but really all you wanted was to start another homosexuality is perfectly acceptable to God thread, right? And do you want the Catholics who appreciate their faith and accept church teachings AS they are to ignore your statements or are you going to call them bigots for defending her teachings? They aren't gay bashers, they are defenders of the truth. Did Jesus just feel bad about himself when he told people what sin was and how they were in it? Did Jesus "Feel bad about himself?" Did the apostles just "Feel bad" about themselves when they told people they were sinners?
No.
This isn't gay bashing when people call sin sin. Its speaking the truth. I'm sorry you don't like the truth but sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Yikes...I'm divorced, and in the process of getting my marriage annulled. I've also remarried and have two kids. I had left the Catholic church for a while, and the annulment is part of the process of my return. Hopefully, I'm not in too much trouble while I wait. Then again, the forecast here was -52 for last night, although we didn't quite hit it, so someplace warm doesn't sound too bad

a person shouldn't re-marry until after their annulment, otherwise the sin of adultery still stands considering nothing yet has been bound or loosed.

All mortal sin can lead to hell. Only death itself can truly dissolve a marriage if it is valid. If its a valid marriage, nothing can dissolve it except death, thus re-marriage would be adultery. An annulment is to decide if the marriage was truly valid in the first place.

So if Gays are disordered, so aren't all the whitebread sanctimonious Catholics, who look at divorce as if it is just another life decision.

actually, yes , this is true. They are both equal mortal sins. In my opinion until we solve the problems of mass divorce we will never solve the problems of gay marriage and such. Remember it all progressed by small stepping stones. At first people could divorce only if there was an extreme reason. Divorce rate was below 10% in the early 20th and late 19th century, now its over 50%. Now people can divorce with no-fault at all(no-fault divorce) and re-marriage is seem as something normal. The protestant communities started allowing it soon after. It would only be time until people thought gay marriage would be ok. And of course it happened. But I agree, the general problem is the degradation of marriage in general. If this problem would've never happened gay marriage would never had even made its ways through the door. Same with abortion. Birth control, feminism, and divorce led to its happening.


In my opinion Italy has the most decent laws as far as marriage, which requires a long cool-down period(I believe a year) before the person can truly divorce. Italy has one of the lowest divorce rates in the world at 7%, with Greece and Armenia near it. Obviously these countries know allot more about marriage than the US or north European areas(and most have very high Catholic populations). In the US divorce is more of a protestant issue, due to their allowance of it in many denominations.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Anger anyone? That's strange that you don't want Catholics to talk about homosexuals and then you throw around the word homosexual like what 5 times already? Then what? You're going to expect NONE of the practicing Catholics who accept the Church and the teachings exactly as they are to not come on here and defend her? I'm sorry that you are so insecure that you have to come on here just to stir controversy and claim that Catholics are gay bashers but what the Church teaches is TRUTH because Jesus promised His Church the Holy Spirit, right? So if you don't like what the Church teaches then take it up with God. You started this thread under the cloak of bringing forth the sin of adultery but really all you wanted was to start another homosexuality is perfectly acceptable to God thread, right? And do you want the Catholics who appreciate their faith and accept church teachings AS they are to ignore your statements or are you going to call them bigots for defending her teachings? They aren't gay bashers, they are defenders of the truth. Did Jesus just feel bad about himself when he told people what sin was and how they were in it? Did Jesus "Feel bad about himself?" Did the apostles just "Feel bad" about themselves when they told people they were sinners?
No.
This isn't gay bashing when people call sin sin. Its speaking the truth. I'm sorry you don't like the truth but sometimes the truth hurts.

And I am also sorry that you don't dig the truth. The truth is, that there are dozens, if not hundreds of posts here over the years, that are dedicated to beating the same dead horse.

There was one particular person here, who is on sabbatical, who made a career out of continually posting almost on a daily basis, on the evils of Gays. OK we get the point, you don't like Gays.

But my point is, and has been consistently from the past until the present, is that the the Church has abrogated their right to judge anyone.

The sins of the thousands of victims of rape and abuse cry out in agreement with my assertions. That when the church took the position of aiding and abetting the perpetrators of said crimes, they no longer had the right to judge others.

 

[AMDG]

the the Church has abrogated their right to judge anyone.

Of course you know that the Church doesn't "judge"--she merely speaks the objective truth. (And as the Church founded by Jesus and given His authority to teach, "speaking the objective truth" is her job--she cannot abrogate that job.)

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Of course you know that the Church doesn't "judge"--she merely speaks the objective truth. (And as the Church founded by Jesus and given His authority to teach, "speaking the objective truth" is her job--she cannot abrogate that job.)

She ?

COLOSSIANS 1:24 NKJ
24 . . . the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church,

1 CORINTHIANS 12:27 NKJ
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually.

EPHESIANS 5:30 NKJ
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.

We are the body of Christ, we are the church. It is not "she"

But I digress, the topic was divorce and the catholic church.

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

a person shouldn't re-marry until after their annulment, otherwise the sin of adultery still stands considering nothing yet has been bound or loosed.

All mortal sin can lead to hell. Only death itself can truly dissolve a marriage if it is valid. If its a valid marriage, nothing can dissolve it except death, thus re-marriage would be adultery. An annulment is to decide if the marriage was truly valid in the first place.

While that's true, what is one to do if they are already remarried and then want to join or rejoin the Catholic Church? Should they try for an annulment, or just accept that they are not welcome in the Church?

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

In my opinion Italy has the most decent laws as far as marriage, which requires a long cool-down period(I believe a year) before the person can truly divorce. Italy has one of the lowest divorce rates in the world at 7%, with Greece and Armenia near it. Obviously these countries know allot more about marriage than the US or north European areas(and most have very high Catholic populations). In the US divorce is more of a protestant issue, due to their allowance of it in many denominations.

Here's some interesting data on US divorce rates from the Barna study:

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Denomination (in order of decreasing divorce rate)[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica] [/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]% who have been divorced[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Non-denominational **[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]34%[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Baptists[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]29%[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Mainline Protestants[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]25%[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Mormons[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]24%[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Catholics[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]21%[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Lutherans[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]21%[/FONT]

from U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas