Are Catholics going to hell?

[ltrain]

Hey, what's up? I'm new to CF and am getting familiar with the site. I'm Catholic, and as a convert I've heard lots of nasty things about us.

Basically, I'd like to know if Catholics are going to hell. I've heard all the common reasons: they pray to Mary, re-sacrifice Christ at the mass, ask a priest for forgiveness instead of God, have extra books in their Bible, etc.

But are Christians allowed to make statements like "Catolics are going to hell?" This seems very un-Christian (maybe these Christians had better watch out!) And even if Catholics are wrong about such things, maybe God can understand human weakness and, realizing their earnest search for Truth, cut Catholics some slack (as well as others who may not quite have things 100% correct)

Anyway, just thought I'd ask. God may be bigger than a lot of Protestants, and other non-Catholics, think.

pax,

ltrain

 

[depthdeception]

Hey, what's up? I'm new to CF and am getting familiar with the site. I'm Catholic, and as a convert I've heard lots of nasty things about us.

Basically, I'd like to know if Catholics are going to hell. I've heard all the common reasons: they pray to Mary, re-sacrifice Christ at the mass, ask a priest for forgiveness instead of God, have extra books in their Bible, etc.

But are Christians allowed to make statements like "Catolics are going to hell?" This seems very un-Christian (maybe these Christians had better watch out!) And even if Catholics are wrong about such things, maybe God can understand human weakness and, realizing their earnest search for Truth, cut Catholics some slack (as well as others who may not quite have things 100% correct)

Anyway, just thought I'd ask. God may be bigger than a lot of Protestants, and other non-Catholics, think.

pax,

ltrain

If Catholics are going to hell, then so is everyone else.

 

[ILoveYeshua]

ltrain, you've been planting seeds of doubt all over this site in an attempt to sow discord among the brethren. I seriously doubt your sincerity. Why don't you simply repent and believe in Christ?

 

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[FreezBee]

If Catholics are going to hell, then so is everyone else.

Ooh, be this a hypothetical or a condtional statement? Or are we supposed to use contra-position?

- FreezBee

 

[frumanchu]

Hey, what's up? I'm new to CF and am getting familiar with the site. I'm Catholic, and as a convert I've heard lots of nasty things about us.

Basically, I'd like to know if Catholics are going to hell. I've heard all the common reasons: they pray to Mary, re-sacrifice Christ at the mass, ask a priest for forgiveness instead of God, have extra books in their Bible, etc.

But are Christians allowed to make statements like "Catolics are going to hell?" This seems very un-Christian (maybe these Christians had better watch out!) And even if Catholics are wrong about such things, maybe God can understand human weakness and, realizing their earnest search for Truth, cut Catholics some slack (as well as others who may not quite have things 100% correct)

Anyway, just thought I'd ask. God may be bigger than a lot of Protestants, and other non-Catholics, think.

pax,

ltrain

From the standpoint of ChristianForums, nobody may say that Catholics are going to hell.

As a Reformed Protestant, I would have to say I cannot answer that question. Reason being you are talking in general terms about an entire group of people who belong to that institution. I believe there are Catholics who are saved and Catholics who are not saved, just as I believe with Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. Salvation is not based simply upon institutional membership.

I do not agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the ecclesiastical claims of that institution, but it would be grossly and sinfully presumptuous of me (especially as a Calvinist) to declare them unsaved. I have many Catholic brothers and sisters here whose salvation I've no good reason to doubt (even if I do believe their theology to be errant).

Soli Deo Gloria

 

[depthdeception]

Ooh, be this a hypothetical or a condtional statement? Or are we supposed to use contra-position?

- FreezBee

Your choice.

 

[Van]

Some folks who say Lord Lord are going to hell (Matthew 7). These are folks that Jesus never knew, they were never born again, and never indwelt. Jesus tells of some who accept the gospel but do not trust in Jesus alone. Their faith is rootless. See Matthew 13:21. The author of Hebrews tells us in Hebrews 6:4-6 of these same folks who have been enlightened with the gospel, but were not convicted. Paul teaches in Galatians not to add back in to the pure gospel, the rituals of the Old Covenant. But if salvation cannot be lost, then this only results in ineffective ministry, building of the foundation of Christ with straw.

The most serious concern for folks that embrace false teachings is that it might signal not fully embracing Christ, of believing in Christ plus works for salvation, just like the folks under the Old Covenant believed in God plus keeping the Law to obtain the righteousness of God. But scripture is clear, God desires steadfast love that puts everything else at risk, rather than rituals of habit and superficial sacrifices.

 

[Palatka44]

From the standpoint of ChristianForums, nobody may say that Catholics are going to hell.

As a Reformed Protestant, I would have to say I cannot answer that question. Reason being you are talking in general terms about an entire group of people who belong to that institution. I believe there are Catholics who are saved and Catholics who are not saved, just as I believe with Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, Orthodox, etc. Salvation is not based simply upon institutional membership.

I do not agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the ecclesiastical claims of that institution, but it would be grossly and sinfully presumptuous of me (especially as a Calvinist) to declare them unsaved. I have many Catholic brothers and sisters here whose salvation I've no good reason to doubt (even if I do believe their theology to be errant).

Soli Deo Gloria

I wanted to respond in the same wordage. So I'll respond as such, Here! here! And with a harty Baptist agreement, Amen Brother! Preach the Word! And add nothing else.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Hey, what's up? I'm new to CF and am getting familiar with the site. I'm Catholic, and as a convert I've heard lots of nasty things about us.

Basically, I'd like to know if Catholics are going to hell. I've heard all the common reasons: they pray to Mary, re-sacrifice Christ at the mass, ask a priest for forgiveness instead of God, have extra books in their Bible, etc.

But are Christians allowed to make statements like "Catolics are going to hell?" This seems very un-Christian (maybe these Christians had better watch out!) And even if Catholics are wrong about such things, maybe God can understand human weakness and, realizing their earnest search for Truth, cut Catholics some slack (as well as others who may not quite have things 100% correct)

Anyway, just thought I'd ask. God may be bigger than a lot of Protestants, and other non-Catholics, think.

pax,

ltrain

There are Baptist, Catholics, Protestants that are saved who have believed the gospel 1 cor 15:3-4

then there are those who believe in Vain which is warned in
1 cor 15:2..vain [without purpose]
1 cor 15:10 vain [emptyto quality/content]
1 cor 15:17 vain [without result]

even though this is not shown in the english when we look at the greek word it gives more flavor than the basic vain...

when one is counting on the only God as there saviour who has done everything for that salvation, who humbled himself and became man to die for the worlds sins and the only condition is to believe\

this is a person discision not a church one

 

[homewardbound]

Hey, what's up? I'm new to CF and am getting familiar with the site. I'm Catholic, and as a convert I've heard lots of nasty things about us.

Basically, I'd like to know if Catholics are going to hell. I've heard all the common reasons: they pray to Mary, re-sacrifice Christ at the mass, ask a priest for forgiveness instead of God, have extra books in their Bible, etc.

But are Christians allowed to make statements like "Catolics are going to hell?" This seems very un-Christian (maybe these Christians had better watch out!) And even if Catholics are wrong about such things, maybe God can understand human weakness and, realizing their earnest search for Truth, cut Catholics some slack (as well as others who may not quite have things 100% correct)

Anyway, just thought I'd ask. God may be bigger than a lot of Protestants, and other non-Catholics, think.

pax,

ltrain

You'll hear a lot of nasty stuff spewed from/to Catholics/Protestants alike. Doesn't mean it's true, doesn't mean it's right.

Salvation is based on what God says, not what others say. If you're uncertain of what God has to say, just open the bible. Catholics have the same criteria for salvation as everyone else, so the answer to your questions will be obvious.

 

[sanct1fym3]

You'll hear a lot of nasty stuff spewed from/to Catholics/Protestants alike. Doesn't mean it's true, doesn't mean it's right.

Salvation is based on what God says, not what others say. If you're uncertain of what God has to say, just open the bible. Catholics have the same criteria for salvation as everyone else, so the answer to your questions will be obvious.

Very true, I also would like to input that the official position of the Catholic Chuch of protestants is that we are "people who knnew the truth and have fallen away" I forget the exact wording, but it is something to this effect, According to catholics we are not going to heaven either, that is what a buddy of mine told me. But despite the infinite bashing of each others religions i think that we should seriously consider what the bible says about an individual persons salvation, not subscribing to any religion as being corporately Damned or saved... There are catholics who will go to heaven and there are catholics who will go to hell, even catholics would say this. At least my catholic friends would

 

[frumanchu]

Very true, I also would like to input that the official position of the Catholic Chuch of protestants is that we are "people who knnew the truth and have fallen away" I forget the exact wording, but it is something to this effect, According to catholics we are not going to heaven either, that is what a buddy of mine told me.

The official view of the Catholic Church is that Protestant churches are not part of the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, but that those individuals within those churches who are true believers are in "imperfect communion" with the One True Church and are thus still saved.

The historical Protestant view likewise is that the Catholic Church is not a true Christian church, but that those individuals within it who are true believers are part of the catholic (universal) church and thus still saved.

From a historical, authoritative standpoint, neither side would declare an individual unsaved simply because they are a member of the other side.

 

[sanct1fym3]

SRY i may have been speaking too broadly, the official view of my catholic friends is that i am a lost sheep and am not saved.

 

[Soon Rev 22:11-12]

Catholics going to hell?

All who do not confess and forsake their sins will go to "hell."

"Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven..."

 

[Swithun]

If you believe in the full penal substituionary atonement of Christ for yours sins you are saved; if you don't then you will go to the Lake of Fire (hell is not the Lake of Fire only the grave). The question is do you follow the Bible or Catholic teaching?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Catholics going to hell?

All who do not confess and forsake their sins will go to "hell."

"Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
for her sins are piled up to heaven..."

john 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins...exodus 13:12,13

 

[ltrain]

ltrain, you've been planting seeds of doubt all over this site in an attempt to sow discord among the brethren. I seriously doubt your sincerity. Why don't you simply repent and believe in Christ?

Dear ILoveYeshua,

Did it ever occur to you that some brethren aren't as strong in the faith as others? Perhaps it's good that I'm on this site--maybe my faith can be restored. You have no idea, sir, what I've been through. I also hope to hear a kinder, more Christ-like tone in your voice in the future.

lee

 

[Diane_Windsor]

Basically, I'd like to know if Catholics are going to hell. I've heard all the common reasons: they pray to Mary, re-sacrifice Christ at the mass, ask a priest for forgiveness instead of God, have extra books in their Bible, etc.

Salvation is between the individual and God Almighty

But are Christians allowed to make statements like "Catolics are going to hell?" This seems very un-Christian (maybe these Christians had better watch out!) And even if Catholics are wrong about such things, maybe God can understand human weakness and, realizing their earnest search for Truth, cut Catholics some slack (as well as others who may not quite have things 100% correct)

Christian Forums Rules

DIANE

 

[Soon Rev 22:11-12]

john 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins...

Jesus was speaking to Jews. That would put Jews in a bad situation, such as dying in their sins (Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and all other non-Christians, also). Where do people who die in their sins find themselves in the resurrection?