are believers ever called sinners?

[rocklife]

I've heard from one preacher in particular who continually preaches Christians are sinners. And yes, our first born nature is sinful.

Then I saw a christian in this forum say something almost opposite, saying "I believe christians are not called sinners in the bible, but saints."

And I am inclined to agree with that, since I recall from the bible christians being called saints often in New Testament.

I am just sorry to hear that the preacher who keeps saying we are sinners sinners sinners may not be theologically sound.

any encouragements? any direction you can share in Scriptures? Thank you

 

[jeffweeder]

1tim 1
15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.
16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who[12][Or destined to ] would believe in Him for eternal life.
17 Now to the King eternal[13][Lit of the ages ], immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever[14][Lit to the ages of the ages ] and ever. Amen.

 

[rocklife]

thank you jeffweeder, that is helpful

 

[FallingWaters]

I've heard from one preacher in particular who continually preaches Christians are sinners. And yes, our first born nature is sinful.

Then I saw a christian in this forum say something almost opposite, saying "I believe christians are not called sinners in the bible, but saints."

And I am inclined to agree with that, since I recall from the bible christians being called saints often in New Testament.

I am just sorry to hear that the preacher who keeps saying we are sinners sinners sinners may not be theologically sound.

any encouragements? any direction you can share in Scriptures? Thank you

Hmm. That's a good question.

I know I am a born again child of God.
I know I sin. Does that make me a "sinner"?

The New Testament calls believers saints or children of God or disciples. No where does it call us sinners, though we sin.

"Sinner" must be a standing before God. I looked up the word sinner in the New Testament. It never refers to a believer.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

romans 3:23 all haved sinned a come short of the glory of God

 

[FallingWaters]

romans 3:23 all haved sinned a come short of the glory of God

Yes. And then we repent and become a child of God, a new creation in Christ.

 

[ArcticFox]

Although we are indeed still sinners, and it is clearly inferred that we are called sinners, that is not our new nature, and as such we are given new labels to fit our new nature. These labels are the following and more:

1) Saved

2) Converted

3) Saints

4) Brothers and sisters

5) Children of God

6) Witnesses (of God)

7) Christ-like (Christian)

And so forth. But yes, sinner does still apply in a sense. Hope this helps!

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Yes. And then we repent and become a child of God, a new creation in Christ.

yes .. yet there is 1 john 3:2

 

[daveleau]

Believers, once fulfilling the requirements of salvation (calling on the name of the Jesus as Lord and Saviour with faith brings about the gift of grace), are never again called sinners because we have been justified. But, the Bible calls all people sinners (all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Rom 3:23), which refers to our fallen state before we have been saved. And, it is understood that Christians will still sin, as a majority of Hebrews 12 discusses what happens to Christians when we sin.

In Christ,
Dave

 

[FallingWaters]

yes .. yet there is 1 john 3:2

1 John 3:2
"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

What are you saying?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

1 John 3:2
"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is."

What are you saying?

in the spirit we have been changed ... but we are three parts : spirit, soul and flesh

thus the reason for 1 john 1:9

 

[MariaRegina]

If we say we are without sin, then we are liars.

Read 1 John 1:10

[bible]1 John 1:10[/bible]

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

We must repent until the day we die.

We struggle or we fall into sin.