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No, unrighteousness is sin and infants are not capable of sinning.
But this isn't the only Biblical statement that seems to say that all of us are born estranged from God by sin. We are part of a fallen species. We have the promise of redemption through Christ, but we certainly don't start off as righteous or else we wouldn't need a Savior at all.romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
It's not sinful behavior for infants for they do not know, do not have the knowledge skills to understand right from wrong, righteousness from unrighteousness.Being selfish or self-centered to the detriment of those around you is not righteous behavior.
And infants are nothing but selfish and manipulative.
We forgive them their sins, by choice.
But do they treat others well?
It's not sinful behavior for infants for they do not know, do not have the knowledge skills to understand right from wrong, righteousness from unrighteousness.
I can accept the limited view that mankind generally is sinful, unrighteousness etc, but there is a stiff literalism to the text - no, not even one - to answer the thoughts we are covering.
Sin is a transgression of God's law 1 john 3:4.But sin is a condition, a falling short of Godliness. Infants, by virtue of being humans, are just as likely as anyone else to be in that situation.
That's not what that verse says.Sin is a transgression of God's law 1 john 3:4..
There is sin of commission and sin of omission. One sins if one bears false testimony. One who says nothing sins, although he does not give a wrong answer, he can't fulfill an obligation to visit the sick and the imprisoned. A baby can't hack into computers to do identity theft, thus it has a form of innocence. A baby can't yet change its clothes, thus lacks a form of righteousness. Someone of the flesh getting 100% right on every test of every university does not seem possible. This is evidence that all (humans) fall short of the glory of God.Hi again GitL, I guess the question you need to ask yourself again is this, is there anyone, outside of Christ, who is righteous? If your answer to that question is still "no", then are you not agreeing with St. Paul's assessment, with his "literalism" in this case?
It seems to me that the qualifying phrase, "no not one", has been proven to be true of us over and over again since the days of our first parents. In fact, I don't believe you could find a person out there today who would disagree with our most common proverbial saying, "nobody's perfect"
As for Romans 3:10-12, again, babies are not in view in that passage as I mentioned above (Paul understood their state of existence when he penned his letters, just like you and I do today). But for anyone who has matured mentally beyond (let's say) the toddler age of knowledge, awareness and understanding, "no not one" certainly seems to apply, does it not?
Babies are in view elsewhere in the St. Paul's epistles. We could certainly talk about that if you'd like to. In fact, King David had something to say about the youngest among us that many find pretty provocative .. see Psalm 51:5.
Yours and His,
David
It's not sinful behavior for infants for they do not know, do not have the knowledge skills to understand right from wrong, righteousness from unrighteousness.
romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
I don't think you can make a blanket judgment on the basis of a super-literal interpretation of one verse in the book of Revelation. Not when there are so many other passages in scripture that point to a different conclusion.We are judged according to our works, therefore a baby is more righteous than a sinner, but perhaps less righteous than a good Christian as a babies works are new and very little.
Revelation {20:13} And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Correct. We are born into sin just as a fish is born into water. We all are wet.
That would probably be what each of us would do...if we were God. Alas, we're not.A child is born knowing nothing. Learning everything from those in the world. There is no chance in hell that the Lord would damn a new born or unborn child.
This isn't so much for you Dave, I am just playing off your post to share a point. The word "righteousness" whether Christianity accepts this or not, has a very specific meaning. But because our faith culture, over nearly 1800 years now, has tried to distance itself from anything that even remotely appears "Jewish," the "law" has become something we pin to them as a curse and in the process, remove our ability to fully understand what the law really is or what God's intent for it... in our lives... might be.That was from Dr Derek Prince. He was the Greek scholar who defined it that way.
Being born into this material world we carry the curse of Adam, the sins of our forefathers. Only Jesus was born free of that burden as He was born of a virgin and the Holy Spirit. A baby or foetus has never sinned yet is born with that sinful nature. That is the answer that pops into my mind. That nobody seeks God does sound like hyperbole.
That's not what that verse says.
It is possible to commit a wrong; and we call that a sin. Sometimes it is called "actual sin" in order to distinguish it from "original sin," but sin is not just bad things we choose to do.
A child will disobey as soon as he learns the meaning of "do not." He doesn't have to learn to be disobedient--nobody has to suggest disobedience to him. It comes perfectly naturally. Giving a command only quickens the impulse to disobedience that was already inherent.
I don't think you can make a blanket judgment on the basis of a super-literal interpretation of one verse in the book of Revelation. Not when there are so many other passages in scripture that point to a different conclusion.
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