Are Alot Of Baptists Masons?

[Terri]

Does anyone know if the following is true?

Blood Oaths
Every Mason is required to take three blood oaths. For example, in the first degree of Masonry, as an Entered Apprentice, the person is required to place a curse on himself by swearing an oath that he will bind himself "under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across and my tongue torn out by the roots . . . so help me God."

It is incredible that the name of God would be invoked in such a demonic oath, particularly when the Bible commands us not to take any oaths at all: "Do not swear at all . . . simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes’ and your ‘No’ be ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one" (Matthew 5:34-37).

At the second degree, the Fellowcraft level, the Mason swears "to have my left breast torn open and my heart and vitals taken from thence and thrown over my left shoulder . . . if ever I should prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this my solemn oath or obligation . . . so help me God."

The third degree Master Mason swears "to have my body severed in two in the midst, and divided to the north and south, and my bowels burnt to ashes in the center, and the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven . . . were I ever to prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this solemn oath . . . so help me God."

The Scottish Rite oath is particularly demonic in nature. Notice how it commits the oath taker to commit murder, if necessary:

I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree . . . and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen.

No Christian has any business putting himself under such oaths, even if they are not taken seriously. God takes them seriously, and so does Satan.

Further, in the case of married men, these oaths create a barrier to the marriage relationship because the Mason is not supposed to reveal his Masonic activities to his wife.

I read this here:
http://www.lamblion.com/articles/doctrinal/Cults/Cults-07.php

 

[ZiSunka]

I know a man who is muslim and a mason. He says in his country, masons are devoted to allah and the holy book of the masons isn't the Bible like it is here, but the quran. He said that they take all the oaths in the name of allah, not Jesus like masons do here. He sees Christian masons as his brothers as much as muslim masons because to a mason it is the fraternity that is important, not the name of the God that is prayed to. For what it's worth.

 

[Matthan]

Personally I have found so many articles on the net that are filled with total nonsense that I do not care any more. Masons are going to take over the world because they are the illuminati, or the antichrist, or the boogyman, or something terrible like that. It still amazes me to what extent some ignorant or hateful people will go to make up lies or distort the truth.

And you want to know the really funny part? Our Catholic brother fraternity, the Knights of Columbus, was an off-shoot of the Masons. They came into being when a pope made it an excommunicatable sin for them to belong to Freemasonry. So they started their own fraternity, using many of the same rituals, signs and Scripture passages. And, they get nothing but praise and good press, while the Masons are continually trashed and degraded. Go figure!

Matthan <J><

[I will not respond to this thread any more. You guys feel free to say what you will. I can assure you I have heard it all several times before.... I will not be offended in any way.]

 

[ZiSunka]

And you want to know the really funny part? Our Catholic brother fraternity, the Knights of Columbus, was an off-shoot of the Masons. They came into being when a pope made it an excommunicatable sin for them to belong to Freemasonry. So they started their own fraternity, using many of the same rituals, signs and Scripture passages. And, they get nothing but praise and good press, while the Masons are continually trashed and degraded. Go figure!

I don't know where you got this history from, but it is just plain wrong. Masons and Knights are not brother fraternities, they don't even communicate with each other. Knights are not an offshoot of Masons, they are completely separate organizations. Knights are not a fraternity, they are a service organization for catholic men and families. I know many Knights and some masons, and knights do not have secret ceremonies in which they vow to allow their tongues to be cut out if they tell the secrets of the organization. They do have yummy fish fries during lent, however.

 

[Terri]

Well, I would be the first to admit that I know absolutely nothing about the masons.

I was hoping that someone that was a member would say if there actually are oaths like those mentioned in the article that are indeed taken.

But, I suppose if they do exist it would be against the rules of the masons to say that they do anyway.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

Personally I have found so many articles on the net that are filled with total nonsense that I do not care any more. Masons are going to take over the world because they are the illuminati, or the antichrist, or the boogyman, or something terrible like that. It still amazes me to what extent some ignorant or hateful people will go to make up lies or distort the truth.

And you want to know the really funny part? Our Catholic brother fraternity, the Knights of Columbus, was an off-shoot of the Masons. They came into being when a pope made it an excommunicatable sin for them to belong to Freemasonry. So they started their own fraternity, using many of the same rituals, signs and Scripture passages. And, they get nothing but praise and good press, while the Masons are continually trashed and degraded. Go figure!

Matthan <J><

[I will not respond to this thread any more. You guys feel free to say what you will. I can assure you I have heard it all several times before.... I will not be offended in any way.]

Just to be clear Bro. Matthan, none of what is said in this post is true:

Blood Oaths
Every Mason is required to take three blood oaths. For example, in the first degree of Masonry, as an Entered Apprentice, the person is required to place a curse on himself by swearing an oath that he will bind himself "under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across and my tongue torn out by the roots . . . so help me God."

It is incredible that the name of God would be invoked in such a demonic oath, particularly when the Bible commands us not to take any oaths at all: "Do not swear at all . . . simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes’ and your ‘No’ be ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one" (Matthew 5:34-37).

At the second degree, the Fellowcraft level, the Mason swears "to have my left breast torn open and my heart and vitals taken from thence and thrown over my left shoulder . . . if ever I should prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this my solemn oath or obligation . . . so help me God."

The third degree Master Mason swears "to have my body severed in two in the midst, and divided to the north and south, and my bowels burnt to ashes in the center, and the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven . . . were I ever to prove willfully guilty of violating any part of this solemn oath . . . so help me God."

The Scottish Rite oath is particularly demonic in nature. Notice how it commits the oath taker to commit murder, if necessary:

I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree . . . and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen.

No Christian has any business putting himself under such oaths, even if they are not taken seriously. God takes them seriously, and so does Satan.

Further, in the case of married men, these oaths create a barrier to the marriage relationship because the Mason is not supposed to reveal his Masonic activities to his wife.

Whats said in there about the oath, I am not to sure I'd agree that we are not to take any oaths whatsoever ever but...

And Matthan, I'm not trying to attack you as a member of this group. Your the first person I've talked to whose been involved and am asking for interest.

 

[ZiSunka]

Well, if they take an oath not to tell the secrets of the organization at threat of having their tongues cut out, then I doubt if anyone would, or could, tell, could they?

 

[Hisgirl]

I noticed that Matthan commented that in his lodge...no mason can be an atheist.....I'm curious then...An atheist, as I understand it, does not believe in God. As a Christian, I believe there is only God and the only one true God. There is no other. Period. So if you were a Christian and you were standing next to a buddhist...and you were both praying....you to GOD and the buddhist to buddha.....is there a god somewhere hearing his prayer? If you are a Christian and believe in the one true GOD...then the buddhist, muslims, and hindus are praying to air....no one is hearing them. So to say the masons are all praying to the same 'Great Architect in the Universe' and include muslims, buddhists and hindus...you are saying your God is the same as their god. Do you understand how God the Father might find this blasphemous?

I got this information off a mason educational site...this is written by currrent masons.

To this day, Freemasons use "The Great Architect of the Universe" and other non-sectarian titles to address the Deity. In using non-sectarian references to that which transcends all knowing, persons of different faiths may join together in prayer, concentrating on the Universal Spirit rather than on differences of culture and religion. Masonry has always championed religious freedom, and the idea that the relationship between the individual and one God is a personal, private and sacred matter.

No one owns God, just as surely as no one owns "truth." Not one among us can be truly certain about the nature of God, so "Great Architect of the Universe" is a particularly apt reference to the Deity, as the reference acknowledges both the design and the designer without staking a claim on some exclusive jurisdiction. Deists, Christians - both Catholic and Protestant - Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, and men of many other faiths have been welcomed into our Fraternity. One point of commonality is their belief in the one God. Masons believe there is one God and one God only. Masons also know that since time immemorial, people have employed many different ways of seeking and expressing what they know of God, of their experiences and relationship with that which transcends all knowing.

Anyone with ten minutes of time can research this subject and come away with serious, serious concerns. If someone wants to do good works, there are many organizations that will afford you the opportunity to give your time, efforts, money and know-how without standing up in front of your brothers and declaring the god you are praying to is the same god as your buddhist, muslim and hindu brothers.....The day I did that would be the same day I would be denying God. Why in the name of our Holy Father God would you take such a risk? If you really want to research this....talk to any minister with a deliverance ministry....Try Pastor Frank Hammond, for one...Baptist minister....It would make the hair rise on your arms to read what he encountered with folks involved in freemasonry. And to get free from it required deliverance.....Father, forgive our nation for its idol worship...forgive us.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

Well, if they take an oath not to tell the secrets of the organization at threat of having their tongues cut out, then I doubt if anyone would, or could, tell, could they?

If its not apart of the organization then he can account for it. I would question the validity of such an oath for a Christian. Our body is not our own, it was bought, the fact that it is a temple and our mouths are the chief tool used in the proclamation of the Bible would seem to indicate that.

what do you say matthan?

 

[Terri]

Well, if they take an oath not to tell the secrets of the organization at threat of having their tongues cut out, then I doubt if anyone would, or could, tell, could they?

Well now this would only be a problem is you value your tongue more than you value the truth.

I would certainly hope that a Christian would value the truth more.

Now any organization that causes me to have to choose between the truth and my tongue is not an organization of which I would want to be a part.

HisGirl great post!!

 

[Iollain]

The Scottish Rite oath is particularly demonic in nature. Notice how it commits the oath taker to commit murder, if necessary:

I do promise and swear upon the Holy Bible never to reveal where I have received this degree . . . and in failure of this I consent to have my body opened perpendicularly and to be exposed for eight hours in the open air, so that the venomous flies may eat my entrails, my head to be cut off and put on the highest pinnacle of the world, and I will always be ready to inflict the same punishment on those who shall disclose this degree and break this obligation. So may God help and maintain me. Amen.

....it just sounds so very Scottish though

 

[rural_preacher]

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people. Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.

--

 

[GreenEyedLady]

My father was a 32 degree mason before he died. When I was a teenage, I was in Job's daughters. I rebuked everything once I got saved. Sorry Mattan that I don't like them. My vote is no, Most baptist are not Masons.
GEL

 

[mmreed]

My father was a 32 degree mason before he died. When I was a teenage, I was in Job's daughters. I rebuked everything once I got saved. Sorry Mattan that I don't like them. My vote is no, Most baptist are not Masons.
GEL

did your father ever share the "deep dark secrets" with you?

There seems to be SO MUCH controversy over masons...

almost as bad as UFOS!

 

[GreenEyedLady]

I found some of books and things typed up on the cerimonies after he died. Other than that, he never told me.
GEL

 

[Leimeng]

~ Since neither 'baptist' nor 'mason' means Christian (in the Biblical sense) the issue should perhaps be where you stand with Christ and His Word.
~ As a Christian our identity should be in Christ, not some named organization made by fallible men. We should spend our time following the King of Kings and not some group of men. Especially if the men equate as part of their theology issues that are in opposition to God's Word. c.f. II Corinthians 6: 14-18
~ While much of the opposition to masonic teachings is based on shoddy scholarship and misquotes, I fail to find Biblical support for a Christian being a member of any sort of masonic lodge.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~


(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

 

[ZiSunka]

My grandfather was a mason and none of us even knew until my aunt, his daughter, was invited to be in Job's Daughters. She said she was surprised to be invited because only the daughters of masons are invited. The person who invited her told her that grandpa was indeed a mason. All those years, he had never said a word about it even to my grandmother, whom he was married to for 56 years. Even when my aunt asked him about it, he would not say whether or not he was a mason.