ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

DamianWarS · Feb 11, 2021

GodsGrace101 said:
Very interesting comment you've made above about Jesus resting on the Sabbath (in the grave).
However, I'm not sure we can say that He was resting because we know that He preached to "the prisoners" at some time before the resurrection.

I would say Christ's body resting in the grave warrants the fulfillment as it is the flesh that is weak and fatigues from work and it is our flesh that needs rest. Parallels can be drawn with flesh and sin as the two are used interchangeably often in scripture. Parallels also of the curse of man when Adam is cast out of the garden to work and toil over the ground where the garden here is rest where there is no need to work and grow weary. So the flesh resting I think is the important value here and how the spirit fatigues or works is not something I can comment on. The flesh resting over sabbath in the grave satisfies the demand of the law.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 11, 2021

DamianWarS said:
I would say Christ's body resting in the grave warrants the fulfillment as it is the flesh that is weak and fatigues from work and it is our flesh that needs rest. Parallels can be drawn with flesh and sin as the two are used interchangeably often in scripture. Parallels also of the curse of man when Adam is cast out of the garden to work and toil over the ground where the garden here is rest where there is no need to work and grow weary. So the flesh resting I think is the important value here and how the spirit fatigues or works is not something I can comment on. But th flesh resting over sabbath in the grave satisfies the demand of the law.

I would say Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

DamianWarS · Feb 11, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
I would say Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

If according to the commandment then this begs the question is this the demand of the law of the sabbath? If so then how can we possibly keep it?

LoveGodsWord · Feb 11, 2021

DamianWarS said:
If according to the commandment then this begs the question is this the demand of the law of the sabbath? If so then how can we possibly keep it?

Resting on the 7th day is "keeping the Sabbath". Resting is the Hebrew verb for keeping Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept holy by resting. What is being kept on the seventh day being the noun which is called Sabbath.

DamianWarS · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Resting is on the 7th day is "keeping the Sabbath". Resting is the Hebrew verb for keeping Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept holy by resting. What is being kept on the seventh day being the noun which is called Sabbath.

I'm confused about the goal of this post. I'll quote your own words to get back to the point "Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath according to the commandment" if indeed that is true then you are stating the ultimate demand of the Sabbath law is death itself that Christ satisfied.

This is of course not a new biblical concept:
Rom 5:20-21 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

the law brings death, which the Sabbath is inclusive of, it is the only logical resolve of the law and Christ comes to answer that

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
I'm confused about the goal of this post. I'll quote your own words to get back to the point "Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath according to the commandment" if indeed that is true then you are stating the ultimate demand of the Sabbath law is death itself that Christ satisfied.

This is of course not a new biblical concept:
Rom 5:20-21 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

the law brings death, which the Sabbath is inclusive of, it is the only logical resolve of the law and Christ comes to answer that

Not at all what do you think my post means in regards to the Sabbath?

DamianWarS · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all what do you think my post means in regards to the Sabbath?

Don't bait me, if you have something to say just say it.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
Don't bait me, if you have something to say just say it.

I am not trying to bait you. I re-read my post to see if it was self explanatory. I thought it was. I was wondering how you understand it and the scriptures provided.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord wrote: Resting on the 7th day is "keeping the Sabbath". Resting is the Hebrew verb for keeping Sabbath or how the Sabbath is kept holy by resting. What is being kept on the seventh day being the noun which is called Sabbath.

Your response...

DamianWarS said:
I'm confused

Whats so funny?

DamianWarS · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Your response...

Whats so funny?

I said was I was confused about the goal of the post (you seemed to missed the rest of that quote). The meaning is clear enough but how it contributes to the conversion is not. There is no joking or intention of being funny, I stated matter of factly that I didn't know what your were trying to accomplish and went back a step to get back on track. You're free to clarify as you see fit but this back and forth seems a bit fruitless.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
I said was I was confused about the goal of the post (you seemed to missed the rest of that quote). The meaning is clear enough but how it contributes to the conversion is not. There is no joking or intention of being funny, I stated matter of factly that I didn't know what your were trying to accomplish and went back a step to get back on track. You're free to clarify as you see fit but this back and forth like seems a bit fruitless.

You rated post 344 as funny. What was so funny about what was written there? I asked you what you think it means. I have still not gotten a response.

DamianWarS · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
You rated post 344 as funny. What was so funny about what was written there? I asked you what you think it means. I have still not gotten a response.

I apologise for that, and that was not my intention. an accidental touch on my mobile phone. I see how that caused confusion.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
I apologise for that, and that was not my intention. an accidental touch on my mobile phone. I see how that caused confusion.

Ahh ok all good easy to make mistakes. Thanks for clearing that up. Chat more soon

GodsGrace101 · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
I'm confused about the goal of this post. I'll quote your own words to get back to the point "Christ rested in the tomb on the Sabbath according to the commandment" if indeed that is true then you are stating the ultimate demand of the Sabbath law is death itself that Christ satisfied.

This is of course not a new biblical concept:
Rom 5:20-21 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

the law brings death, which the Sabbath is inclusive of, it is the only logical resolve of the law and Christ comes to answer that

The law brings death....
OK

But what confuses me is that keeping the Sabbath is part of the 10 commandments...
If we break any of the other commandments we are sinning....
even though we are no longer under the law, we are required to obey God.
So why would the 4th commandment be different?
Why wouldn't we have to obey that one too?

Just asking...

DamianWarS · Feb 12, 2021

GodsGrace101 said:
The law brings death....
OK

But what confuses me is that keeping the Sabbath is part of the 10 commandments...
If we break any of the other commandments we are sinning....
even though we are no longer under the law, we are required to obey God.
So why would the 4th commandment be different?
Why wouldn't we have to obey that one too?

Just asking...

because the 4th isn't a moral law

LoveGodsWord · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
because the 4th isn't a moral law

Sure God's 4th commandment is a moral law. Please read Psalms 119:172. Then look at the Hebrew word meaning for righteousness which means (moral right doing). All of God's commandments are moral right doing (righteousness). They are our duty of love and moral right doing (righteousness) to both God and man *Matthew 22:36-40 and how love is expressed to God and man *Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 5:3-4; Revelation 14:12

DamianWarS · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure God's 4th commandment is a moral law. Please read Psalms 119:172. Then look at the Hebrew word meaning for righteousness which means (moral right doing). All of God's commandments are moral right doing (righteousness). They are our duty of love and moral right doing (righteousness) to both God and man *Matthew 22:36-40 and how love is expressed to God and man *Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 5:3-4; Revelation 14:12

Psalms 119:172 is calling all laws moral law and if that is true you are declaring the entire system of law over us. If we are to use terms like moral/ceremonial/shadow or others we need criteria to define what they are. Your criteria of saying all laws are moral laws are not really criteria at all, it just skirts the issue, it also doesn't disqualify the 4th from being a ceremonial law.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello sis, welcome back.

There is no scripture in all of Gods' Word stating Jesus is a Sabbath. The only definition of Sabbath according to the bible is found in Exodus 20:10 which states that the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week. Saying that Jesus is a Sabbath is to deny the very God of creation and Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that according to the new covenant scriptures give us the knowledge of sin when broken and right doing (righteousness) when obeyed *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. When compared to Genesis 2:1-3 which is the origin of the Sabbath, claiming that Jesus is the Sabbath is the same as saying Jesus created himself blessed himself and set himself apart as a holy day, of rest which does not really make much sense at all in scripture application. I believe that the view that Jesus is the Sabbath is an unbiblcal false teachings.

Matthew 11:28-30 is in regards to Jesus giving us rest, is in context to the gospel rest from sin all who receive from believing and following God's Word - Take my yoke upon you and learn of me... We do not receive the Gospel rest from sin by not believing and following what Gods Word says.

The scriptures however teach, in times of ignorance, God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of His truth, calls all men everywhere to believe and follow his Word *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17. According to Jesus the hour is coming and now us that the true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God's Word to break God's 4th commandment. Jesus goes on to say those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. The question we should all be asking ourselves therefore is who do I believe and follow; God or man?

Jesus knew mankind would forget His 4th commandment Sabbath, which is why it starts off in Exodus 20:8 REMEMBER the Sabbath day to keep it holy...

God bless

Jesus said He would give us rest....
I believe He meant from all the heavy laws that the Jews were trying to keep.
Matthew 11:28-30
28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
(capitalization not mine)

OTOH....In Matthew 5 Jesus said that our righteousness must SURPASS that of the Pharisees...meaning that we must obey with our heart and not only by actions that are superficial.
Matthew 5:20
20“For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

IOW...I believe God wants our heart.

As to the Sabbath, I think you know by now how I feel....
I think there is a case to be made for either side...

I do want to say that I do not hold the Early Church Fathers in the same
light as other men...I believe they are to be heard with esteem since some of them knew the Apostles and must surely have known what the Apostles taught.

They began to worship on Sundays because they were rejected by their Jewish brethren (up until that time ... about the end of the 1st century) and there is some support in scripture for worship on the first day of the week....but it could be debated so no use posting the verses since I'm not particularly drawn one way or the other.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 12, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Sure God's 4th commandment is a moral law. Please read Psalms 119:172. Then look at the Hebrew word meaning for righteousness which means (moral right doing). All of God's commandments are moral right doing (righteousness). They are our duty of love and moral right doing (righteousness) to both God and man *Matthew 22:36-40 and how love is expressed to God and man *Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 5:3-4; Revelation 14:12

Actually LGW....worshipping is a ceremonial law...

Please see Biblical and Rabbinical Ceremonies and tell me what you think about it.
Thanks!

CEREMONIES AND THE CEREMONIAL LAW - JewishEncyclopedia.com

GodsGrace101 · Feb 12, 2021

DamianWarS said:
I would say Christ's body resting in the grave warrants the fulfillment as it is the flesh that is weak and fatigues from work and it is our flesh that needs rest. Parallels can be drawn with flesh and sin as the two are used interchangeably often in scripture. Parallels also of the curse of man when Adam is cast out of the garden to work and toil over the ground where the garden here is rest where there is no need to work and grow weary. So the flesh resting I think is the important value here and how the spirit fatigues or works is not something I can comment on. The flesh resting over sabbath in the grave satisfies the demand of the law.

This is for you and @LoveGodsWord

If you believe Christ's body resting dead on the Sabbath is fulfilling a law...
then you must also believe in the keeping of the Sabbath and all it entails.
If you change what it entails....then it is man that is declaring what one
must do or omit on the Sabbath and not God's word.

What I ask both of you is this: When do you think Jesus went to preach to the "prisoners"
1 Peter 3:19-20
19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, ....

IOW,,, do you believe he stayed "dead" until Sunday morning?

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