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Have fun arguing your religion. I'm done guys.
If being a calvinist makes you a better person, more power to you.
If not, then good.
If you put the need to be theologically sound ahead of Christ, you have negated Christ. For the most part, I'm a Calvinist. I don't find that what passes for Calvinism today is necessarily what Calvin taught, but it's not that far removed, either.I would disagree. Our differences are in the God we worship. When you boil it down it is that simple.
So then we shouldn't listen to God because He told the Jews to kill every man,woman, child and beast of the Caanaites.
Hi. I'm not technically a Baptist at the moment, but I have considered going to a Baptist church again. I would like to know, are all Baptists Calvinists? Most seem as if they are, so I'm wondering about that.
While not all baptists are Calvinists, the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith is Calvinistic in nature. Some baptists still adhere to what our baptist ancestors believed. Others do not.
One way to look at that is, is Calvin's ways(teachings), teachings God has already taught us.
It is a carnal thing to focus on a man and give credit to a man for Gods work. God works through His believers. It is always about God though. God is the only one worthy of all glory for all goodness. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. It is about being of one mind, in God.
The divisions among believers is a carnal concept.
God loves His own, together, and instead of saying "Im of this or Im of that", saying Gods will be done, for Gods will is perfect.
I think all Baptists are innocent of the horror that Calvin inflicted on Michael Servetus. If not, then they are as guilty as he was of having his hands in this murder. Did Jesus say love each other, love your enemies or did he say do a Calvin on someone? I can not believe that people are so ignorant of the horrors of the Christian history's shameful misaligned campaigns through their theologies against someone else's. Come on, where is the common sense of obeying Jesus over what another person would say for us to do?
Why are we listening to murders and those who disobey the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Thankfully, Calvinism has nothing to do with whether such-and-such individual did this-or-that, but everything to do with exegesis of the Bible.
Whether Calvin was ever born or not, Calvinism would still be true because it's exactly what the Bible teaches.
Why do you listen to your local pastor? He's a murderer too, who disobeys the teaching of Christ. In fact, you're a murderer too, who disobeys Christ. So why do you listen to your own interpretation of scripture? In fact, Paul the Apostle was a murderer too, yet you listen to him.
Did you forget that all men are guilty of breaking all of God's law? I guess so, in your emotional rant. You threw doctrine out the window.
That being said, you need to get your facts straight. The events you so scholarly presented here have a certain historical context. You might want to make sure you know what the heck you are talking about, do your homework, before you simply start regurgitating what you heard other people say.
Hi. I'm not technically a Baptist at the moment, but I have considered going to a Baptist church again. I would like to know, are all Baptists Calvinists? Most seem as if they are, so I'm wondering about that.
Stephen Kendall said:Here is a little of the history that you say I have wrong, it goes on with more....
Imprisonment and execution
On 16 February 1553, Servetus, while in Vienne, was denounced as a heretic by Guillaume de Trie, a rich merchant who had taken refuge in Geneva-- a very good friend of Calvin,[14]--in a letter sent to a cousin, Antoine Arneys, who was living in Lyon. On behalf of the French inquisitor Matthieu Ory, Servetus as well as Balthasard Arnollet, the printer of Christianismi Restitutio, were questioned, but they denied all charges and were released for lack of evidence. Arneys was asked by Ory to write back to De Trie, demanding proof. On 26 March 1553, the letters sent by Servetus to Calvin and some manuscript pages of Christianismi Restitutio were forwarded to Lyon by Trie. On 4 April 1553 Servetus was arrested by Roman Catholic authorities, and imprisoned in Vienne. He escaped from prison three days later. On 17 June, he was convicted of heresy by the French Inquisition, "thanks to the 17 letters sent by Jehan Calvin, preacher in Geneva"[15] and sentenced to be burned with his books. An effigy and his books were burned in his absence.
There is more at Michael Servetus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There are other sources to find similar writings and history. After finding this and other similar Christian histories all over the place in books & online, I began to closely examine what has been going on here. I researched key areas of faith, to see if I were personally going to believe in them.
I have no doubt in Jesus and his Father, never had and never will, but I have serious doubt in people who disobey the teachings and commands of our Lord Jesus and so they don't understand God. i can't understand why more Christians don't really check these things out and be brave to follow Jesus and really seek God's will. I must have researched for almost a year before coming to an understanding of our Faith. It is a spiritual fast that made me well again. You don't question Jesus, but you do question the rest. This fast to live of pure water alone (truth itself and nothing else) helps cleanse the soul of much inferior collected tissues, from fat to tumors, they are gone.
Not even close. Traditional Baptists are Calvinists. But there was a lot of bad Arminian theology that took hold in Baptist Churches during the late 19th and throughout the 20th century. So, in many Baptist Churches people believe that Christ died for everyone and that salvation is available for anyone at any time all they have to do is ask for it. So, its a sad state of affairs today in Baptist circles theologically.
When you read about what happened realize from the facts that Calvin could have protected Servetus, but chose to protect himself and his reputation & theology. He chose to support the friction between beliefs and the death sentence to come between his accepted theology and Servetus' opposition ( a nontrinitarian Christology ). I agree that this opposing view wasn't solely about Calvinism, but instead in the state of Churches' spiritual health (trinity). How does a doctrine go against whom it is suppose to support, Jesus Christ? Are theologians and their believers so blinded by their ineptness to understand Jesus that they justify murder?! Many outside our Faith hate Christians and don't believe that Jesus is as Christians say, instead he is just a good man blown out of proportions (made into a legend). If you can not obey Jesus then you are against him. Obeying comes with understanding him and his Father, not creating a mental picture to piece it all together. Theologies were never needed, obeying the man Jesus Christ is required to be called believing him and following him. Why should anyone follow those disobedient to him?
Servetus was one of many killed by the days' hypocrites who called anyone with opposing theological view heretics (which were to be murdered in the worst possible way). I would much rather have been killed by these true heretics (Christian hypocrites) than to follow their extremely questionable theologies & teachings or their examples stained by innocent peoples' and the Saints' blood. What right does a church or spiritual leader have to boldly challenge our Lord's commands and teachings, such as love you enemies and brethren. The true dark ages are the spiritual ones that we have been living in for a long time. You may so neatly cut my words to pieces, but if what I say is true, then there is one who can cut you to pieces, I pray not.
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