Archbishop convicted

[Zoii]

Catholic Archbishop Philip Wilson will be sentenced next month for concealing historical child sex abuse after a magistrate reserved his decision at a hearing today. He is the world's most senior Catholic to be convicted of the offence

Archbishop's health would suffer if jailed for concealing child sex abuse, magistrate told

The prosecution is arguing for jail time.

"He lied. And the root of each of those lies is the unflinching loyalty that he has to the Catholic Church and protecting it at all costs. "This wasn't a split-second decision to conceal something, this was a decision which was made over a period of time when there was an opportunity for rational contemplation.

Should he be spared Jail time? His lawyers are certainly arguing for that.

 

[Valetic]

Obey the law of the land.

Edit: I know it seems unjustifiable for an old man with declining health to be locked away. It's almost like a death sentence.

Edit 2: Idk man I'm glad I'm not the judge of that one

 

[JIMINZ]

Obey the law of the land.

Edit: I know it seems unjustifiable for an old man with declining health to be locked away. It's almost like a death sentence.

Edit 2: Idk man I'm glad I'm not the judge of that one

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If his decision to conceal the information over a prolonged period of time, caused one more child to be molested, then yes he should serve jail time, how long of a sentence does the victim of such crimes serve?....Lets take their age into consideration also.

Through his actions or inaction's he has willingly become a Co Conspirator in the crimes committed after he knew.

 

[Zoii]

Lets take their age into consideration also

Are you suggesting his age should determine the length of any jail sentence or even if he is jailed?

 

[JIMINZ]

Are you suggesting his age should determine the length of any jail sentence or even if he is jailed?

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I said the age of the victim.
Re Read it.

 

[Heavenhome]

I think he should have jail time regardless of his age.
As for his health issues I heard it was diabetes, blood pressure (all treatable) and Alzheimer's which is a weird one because like I heard on the news the prosecution then said if that was the case he should resign from being Archbishop.

This child sexual abuse amongst clergy is an abomination and the height of wickedness and Jesus must weep. I certainly do.

 

[Zoii]

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I said the age of the victim.
Re Read it.

Oh sorry. In this case he covered up child sexual abuse , he wasn't the perpetrator. The children were school age

 

[Heavenhome]

By knowing and covering up he was compliant and equally as guilty. Then he rose to the height of Archbishop so it certainly didn't play on his mind.

 

[JIMINZ]

Oh sorry. In this case he covered up child sexual abuse , he wasn't the perpetrator. The children were school age

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My view was, that he should be held accountable for every abuse which happened after he initially knew and covered things up.

That in my mind makes him a Co Conspirator, and culpable in the crimes.

Throw his wicked _ _ _ in prison.

 

[TerranceL]

Obey the law of the land.

Edit: I know it seems unjustifiable for an old man with declining health to be locked away. It's almost like a death sentence.

Edit 2: Idk man I'm glad I'm not the judge of that one

He actively assisted in rape of children. It's fine if he dies there. Personally I hope he has a long life in prison.

 

[Valetic]

He actively assisted in rape of children. It's fine if he dies there. Personally I hope he has a long life in prison.

Well my heart aches because even someone such as this can be forgiven and brought to salvation. I believe we all as humans have that capacity and ability. But at the same time it is totally unjust, corrupt, and evil. So I say obey the law of the land. He knows better. He knows the system of laws and government we are under. As I said I'm glad I'm not the judge of that case.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Deplorable, yes.

The bigger picture is partly also that for centuries the confessional has been part of the Roman Catholic system; it's naive of bureaucrats to think it will suddenly go away, whatever the bureaucrats may be righteously aspiring to (and one can sympathize with their aims).

Then there are Asian countries such as the Philippines from where Australia gets a lot of cheap labour, where there are huge numbers of Roman Catholics, and where the age of consent is 12. (Yes, 12.) So it's all very well for Australians to hire labour from the Philippines to do the jobs that Australians don't want to do (and surprise, surprise, they are Roman Catholic, and surprise surprise they bring their families and surprise surprise some girls are aged 12, who have already...)

It's far easier for Australians who hire people to have comfortable siestas, to let the Philippinos do the work, and to moralize against Philipinos (and clergy) also.

But yes, it's deplorable.

 

[Paidiske]

It's far easier for Australians who hire people to have comfortable siestas, to let the Philippinos do the work, and to moralize against Philipinos (and clergy) also.

I don't recognise any of this, and I'm in Australia.

Roman Catholicism is the biggest religious affiliation in Australia. This isn't a race issue.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I don't recognise any of this, and I'm in Australia.

Roman Catholicism is the biggest religious affiliation in Australia. This isn't a race issue.

I was not suggesting racism. Cheap labour issues and migration from Roman Catholic and other countries, however, are issues with many permutations and common to the way many Western countries relate to the Third World. To moralize against people's culture (which may involve customs such as an age of consent at 12) while gratefully accepting their cheap labour would be convenient but myopic and not realistic.

 

[Paidiske]

But this issue is not about a particular ethnic minority. In fact, in every case of which I am aware, the people involved have been white and of British/Irish heritage, which would be the dominant culture and probably still a demographic majority here. And given that we're talking about historic cases, and the white Australia policy only ended in 1973, there wouldn't have been as much racial diversity in Australia in the time period covered, anyway.

To bring in the question of Filipino workers (do we really have that many?) is a complete red herring. (Not that that would make sex with a child of 12 acceptable here, but it's just not what we're talking about).

 

[JIMINZ]

Deplorable, yes.

The bigger picture is partly also that for centuries the confessional has been part of the Roman Catholic system; it's naive of bureaucrats to think it will suddenly go away, whatever the bureaucrats may be righteously aspiring to (and one can sympathize with their aims).

Then there are Asian countries such as the Philippines from where Australia gets a lot of cheap labour, where there are huge numbers of Roman Catholics, and where the age of consent is 12. (Yes, 12.) So it's all very well for Australians to hire labour from the Philippines to do the jobs that Australians don't want to do (and surprise, surprise, they are Roman Catholic, and surprise surprise they bring their families and surprise surprise some girls are aged 12, who have already...)

It's far easier for Australians who hire people to have comfortable siestas, to let the Philippinos do the work, and to moralize against Philipinos (and clergy) also.

But yes, it's deplorable.

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Are you honestly attempting to equate the two, (an Archbishop who hid molestation, and the age of consent of a Philippine girl?"

 

[faroukfarouk]

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Are you honestly attempting to equate the two, (an Archbishop who hid molestation, and the age of consent of a Philippine girl?"

I frankly sympathize with neither. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[JIMINZ]

I frankly sympathize with neither. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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Was your point then just to demonstrate there are other questionable things happening in the world?

 

[faroukfarouk]

But this issue is not about a particular ethnic minority. In fact, in every case of which I am aware, the people involved have been white and of British/Irish heritage, which would be the dominant culture and probably still a demographic majority here. And given that we're talking about historic cases, and the white Australia policy only ended in 1973, there wouldn't have been as much racial diversity in Australia in the time period covered, anyway.

To bring in the question of Filipino workers (do we really have that many?) is a complete red herring. (Not that that would make sex with a child of 12 acceptable here, but it's just not what we're talking about).

There are so many aspects to such questions. And so much is deplorable.

What I struggle with also is how people will moralize against people like Pauline Hanson for speaking her mind (she may well indeed have a particularly unfortunate way of expressing herself); and then the same people will feign surprise that as families go back and forth on low cost flights to countries such as the Philippines and elsewhere it transpires that their culture is different and may involve unhealthy practices such as an age of consent at 12; and their reaction may be: "Surely the clergy must have known! let's criminalize the clergy!"

I do indeed sympathize with the efforts of those who try to protect young people from exploitation and abuse. It is in fact a very big picture.

 

[faroukfarouk]

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Was your point then just to demonstrate there are other questionable things happening in the world?

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